I do not know what your name-calling is about. I know the "mainstream" media slogan about Trump being a "liar", but everytime I partially checked some of those lists of lies, I only found distortions, misinterpretations or outright false claims. — Nobeernolife

Really?...what about this one:

Did DJT have the largest, greatest, best inaugural as he claimed - insisted upon? — tim wood

nobeernoballs

Lol you have a way with words, Tim, I’ll give you that. Trumpian, even.

What is the worst lie that you are blaming Trump for? — Nobeernolife

Fair question, but there are so many it's hard to know where to start. Many of his public pronouncements on the Corona virus have had nothing to do with truth. But I find egregious his lies about his inauguration, his electoral college margin, and that millions of ballots were illegitimate. These fall into the category of what's sometimes called "the Big Lie." That is, the lie told to destroy entirely notions of truth and accuracy. I do not know that Hitler invented the big lie, but he was a practitioner. The Soviet state operated on it, And Putin is a master of it. And that's your boy, the company he keeps, and the techniques he uses. And there's the pathological dimension.

Question to you: you appear to defend Trump. Are you? And if so, what about him are you defending?

Really?...what about this one: — ZhouBoTong

I answered that. I do not know had the friggin "greatest" inauguration, and I do not care. Maybe his Majesty Barrack Obama had a greater inaugoration in your mind. Why is that relevant?
So is that the greatest, most profound "lie" that you can think of?

I do not know what your name-calling is about — Nobeernolife

He may have learned it from our president.

I answered that. I do not know had the friggin "greatest" inauguration, and I do not care. Maybe his Majesty Barrack Obama had a greater inaugoration in your mind. Why is that relevant?
So is that the greatest, most profound "lie" that you can think of? — Nobeernolife

Proving beyond doubt that either you're terminally stupid - which I doubt - or vicious in the way of weasels and liars. The subject is not the size of anyone's inaugural, but rather lying about it.

But while we don't want you anywhere near us, we can pray that you have leadership for yourself all by yourself that's on the model of your hero, one that never says anything that is true to you - except as an accident.

I answered that. I do not know had the friggin "greatest" inauguration, and I do not care. — Nobeernolife

So then, when you said,

but everytime I partially checked some of those lists of lies, I only found distortions, misinterpretations or outright false claims. — Nobeernolife

You just don't check most of them? Why would it be difficult to admit he lied in this case? You don't even need to do research. Sounds like a type of derangement syndrome. I wonder if anyone has talked about that as an actual thing?

What is the worst lie that you are blaming Trump for? — Nobeernolife

Just a few of my favs:

Many of the people in DACA, no longer very young, are far from ‘angels.’ Some are very tough, hardened criminals.

I was the person who saved Pre-Existing Conditions in your healthcare.

'Years of economic decay are over' because Trump 'reversed the failed economic policies of the previous administration.'

Some of the Democrats have been talking about ending (coverage for) pre-existing conditions.

In many places, like California, the same person votes many times. You probably heard about that. They always like to say 'oh that's a conspiracy theory.' Not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions and millions of people.

Over the last two years, the number of murders in America and America’s major cities has dropped, unlike here (Chicago), by more than 10%.

Originally "almost all models predicted" Dorian would hit Alabama.

California "admitted" there were "a million" illegal votes in the 2016 presidential election.

There has never been, ever before, an administration that’s been so open and transparent.

"The noise (from windmills) causes cancer.

Democrats let him (cop killer Luis Bracamontes) into our country," and "Democrats let him stay."

Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad," including Somalia and Ukraine.

Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and the rest of the corrupt Democrats made a promise to their crazy left-wing base that they would impeach me even BEFORE I took office.

Today I opened a major Apple Manufacturing plant in Texas that will bring high paying jobs back to America.

You can not legislate affordability. — Nobeernolife

Can't help thinking about this. You say it as though it's some sort of economic principle. I think it's a statement of values, like saying that a society cannot afford to feed its citizens when in fact it has the resources available to do so.

No. Didn´t read it in detail, but right off the bat I see so many loaded assumptions, it is clear this is another hit piece. — Nobeernolife

Name a few of the assumptions you find questionable.

And what else to expect from the Brookings Institute.

I expect thoughtful analysis by experts. I expect the same thing from the Cato Institute and American Enterprise institute. I don't always agree with them, but its worthwhile to hear alternative, educated perspectives. You seem dismissive of any perspective you disagree with. No wonder you're so devoted to a cartoonist.

Proving beyond doubt that either you're terminally stupid - which I doubt - or vicious in the way of weasels and liars. The subject is not the size of anyone's inaugural, but rather lying about it. — tim wood

Political hyperbole is not "lying". By that standard, all politicians lie, any time, all the time. So again, is that the greatest "lie" you can think of?

I notice that Trump's approval rating is at an all time high. Hey, the bullshit sessions about a deadly virus, on prime time TV, are working! Selling false hope to a desperate populace is working! Who would have thought......

Just a few of my favs: — praxis

Many of the people in DACA, no longer very young, are far from ‘angels.’ Some are very tough, hardened criminals.
--> not a lie

I was the person who saved Pre-Existing Conditions in your healthcare.
--> needs context, looks like hyperbole

'Years of economic decay are over' because Trump 'reversed the failed economic policies of the previous administration.'
--> not a lie

Some of the Democrats have been talking about ending (coverage for) pre-existing conditions.
--> needs context, looks like hyperbole

In many places, like California, the same person votes many times. You probably heard about that. They always like to say 'oh that's a conspiracy theory.' Not a conspiracy theory, folks. Millions and millions of people.
--> not a lie

Over the last two years, the number of murders in America and America’s major cities has dropped, unlike here (Chicago), by more than 10%.
--> don´t know, sounds probably

Originally "almost all models predicted" Dorian would hit Alabama.
--> don´t know, needs context

California "admitted" there were "a million" illegal votes in the 2016 presidential election.
--> don´t know, sounds very plausible

There has never been, ever before, an administration that’s been so open and transparent.
--> not a lie

"The noise (from windmills) causes cancer.
--> probably nonsense, sounds like hyperbole.

Democrats let him (cop killer Luis Bracamontes) into our country," and "Democrats let him stay."--> not a lie

Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad," including Somalia and Ukraine.
--> not a lie

Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and the rest of the corrupt Democrats made a promise to their crazy left-wing base that they would impeach me even BEFORE I took office.
--> not a lie

Today I opened a major Apple Manufacturing plant in Texas that will bring high paying jobs back to America.
--> not a lie

So that is a list of the worst "lies" that you can think of? Thanks for making my point about the credibility of these lists.

Now do you have a comment about the vicious lies that the "mainstream" media tells us every day, from the claim that only CNN is allowed to read Wikileaks to staged muslim peace demonstrations, to "good people" Charleston lie to the "fish tank cleaner as miracle cure" lie? I only need to turn on CNN to see the lastes lies, day after day.

Political hyperbole is not "lying". By that standard, all politicians lie, any time, all the time. So again, is that the greatest "lie" you can think of? — Nobeernolife

Why is it not lying? Is it ok for politicians to lie, some of the time or all the time? Do some politicians lie more than others?

the claim that only CNN is allowed to read Wikileaks — Nobeernolife

Where and when did CNN use those exact words?

staged muslim peace demonstrations — Nobeernolife

That just seems like political hyperbole, if it happened, which I doubt.

"good people" Charleston lie — Nobeernolife

Trump's words are a matter of public record. Not a lie.

"fish tank cleaner as miracle cure" lie? — Nobeernolife

The thing they reported on happened, so based on your standard, not a lie.

I do. Real news can make mistakes. Fake news on the other hand "is a form of news consisting of deliberate disinformation or hoaxes ... written and published usually with the intent to mislead in order to damage an agency, entity, or person, and/or gain financially or politically, often using sensationalist, dishonest, or outright fabricated headlines to increase readership." — Michael

Pretty good description of what people are regularly fed by CNN, the NYT and the rest of the so-called mainstream media.
How many have apologized for this fake Trump bashing news that was splattered all over recenty?

Political hyperbole is not "lying". By that standard, all politicians lie, any time, all the time. So again, is that the greatest "lie" you can think of? — Nobeernolife

Cannot you tell the difference? Maybe you are terminally stupid. Let's see how this works. So Trump can and maybe should aspire to the lowest level of character, honesty, integrity, and everything else usually valued in a man, because everyone else does it. Is that your standard? In short, it's ok with you if he lies and more credit to him the better he lies, yes?

Trouble is everyone else doesn't do it. And your standards, were they become the national standard, why, you would get to unfurl those swastikas and stars-and-bars rolled up in you closet and fly your true colours. But why wait. There's a country across the sea -a few, actually - that would welcome you and swallow you up like an oyster on the half-shell.

Try defending the lies if you can. And in reserve are all of his darker purposes. Hmm. It occurs to me I give you too much respect - you're clearly an ignorant child with no real understanding of the issues you write about. Does not render you harmless, but my bad for not recognizing that.

So that is a list of the worst "lies" that you can think of? Thanks for making my point about the credibility of these lists. — Nobeernolife

Simply saying “not a lie” is, quite frankly, beyond idiotic. Those lies were cut and pasted from politifact.org and I could cut and paste the facts they list to support them, but why bother, facts are irrelevant to a Trump supporter. That’s the point you make.

Regarding hyperbole, disinformation is intentionally false or misleading information that is spread in a calculated way to deceive target audiences. An exaggeration occurs when the most fundamental aspects of a statement are true, but only to a certain degree. Trump’s lies target people like yourself and are strategic in nature. Only a fool can’t see that.

Pretty good description of what people are regularly fed by CNN, the NYT and the rest of the so-called mainstream media.
How many have apologized for this fake Trump bashing news that was splattered all over recenty?

I can almost guarantee that most antitrumpist news has been curated for them by the gatekeepers of their respective bubbles, whether on twitter or reddit or on whatever social media they find themselves entirely among their fellow travellers. Any news that may reflect favorably on the president is wholly excluded, or worse, suppressed, so it is no strange wonder much of their thinking reflects the same.

To be fair, this is also true of Trumpist bubbles, but the frequency of those are almost negligible as far as I can tell.

I do. Real news can make mistakes. Fake news on the other hand "is a form of news consisting of deliberate disinformation or hoaxes ... written and published usually with the intent to mislead in order to damage an agency, entity, or person, and/or gain financially or politically, often using sensationalist, dishonest, or outright fabricated headlines to increase readership."
— Michael

Pretty good description of what people are regularly fed by CNN, the NYT and the rest of the so-called mainstream media.
How many have apologized for this fake Trump bashing news that was splattered all over recenty? — Nobeernolife

Seriously, when you make such a statement, it just sounds like you're parrotting Trump. Michael was referring to the original definition of "fake news" - falsehoods that get widely circulated. Trump uses the term to refer to unfavorable coverage. Avoid conflating the two, and you could then have productive conversations. If CNN is spreading actual falsehoods, that's something I want to know about. I'm also fine hearing about positive things Trump's done that CNN omitted. But be willing to discuss both the good and the bad.

Also, you two know, you obviously know, that the majority of people here do not believe that he was remotely qualified to even be the president from the very beginning. And whatever right and good that comes out of this White House is not fundamentally because Trump actually cares about anything other that his own experience. It is not difficult to find apodictic reasons for this belief. This is your audience here. And you know it.

To be fair, this is also true of Trumpist bubbles, but the frequency of those are almost negligible as far as I can tell. — NOS4A2

In my experience its about the same, the fringe on both sides unless you include the media and even then the anti-trump or pro trump media both equally remain mostly on the same message. (Though it seems to me the anti-trump/left media has a wider reach. Im just not sure too many people really care what mainstream media says anymore, they just act like people do. Also, I consider right news programs to be mainstream, mainstream on the right.).
One problem is that to many anti-trump people think anyone who voted for Trump (or the vast majority) are the same people as the fringe who voted for Trump. They do not realise that a lot of people who voted for Trump are not all that much different than they are. Just ordinary people who voted for who they think is better, or stuck to voting for party over candidate. (And various other, normal reasons for voting for Trump). Thats why they will lose again, and Trump will be elected again. The deciding votes are these ghost people that anti-Trump people dont really believe exist so completely ignore them (or worse, specifically mischaracterise or alienate them as racist, bigoted etc etc).
Anyway, bubbles. I think that at least a certain kind of bubble (a sub-bubble) is mirrored by both sides.

To be fair, this is also true of Trumpist bubbles, but the frequency of those are almost negligible as far as I can tell. — NOS4A2

Most Trumpists, other than yourself of course, keep to themselves because they know that to publicly support Trump requires blatant lying and a display of dishonesty. You seem to have no conscience.

I don't normally bother, but really, what a turnip! His fantasies have become completely irrelevant, as the virus ignores him and everyone else responds to the virus.

I keep to myself because your fellow travellers are violent and have a tendency to sucker punch and spit on others.

We're actually nice people, more-or-less. We-all know how to be nice and what nice is. We all fall into the nice-people category.You-all are pigs. But you want to be in the parlor. When we object, even in the most civil of ways, you all complain we're out to get you. (Why should we be surprised, it's the piggy way.) But, not at all; you-all just are in denial about being pigs and that your proper place is the sty. But as luck would have it, you've got one of yours ensconced on a nice chaise longue in the parlor. But he cannot cease from his piggy behaviour, and see what a mess he's making of it all. Of course, if you're a pig you don't see it, but you love to wallow in it.

What is "it"? Just listen to Trump and you will hear "it" stream from his mouth, a cornucopia, if you will, of foulness. And of course if you tire of that symphony of s**t and need an intermission, there is always what he is doing behind the screen with his un-American, anti-freedom fascist, racist thug friends - men who have sold their manhood completely and cheaply, and the incompetent toadies that he replaces competent professionals with that he sends out to foul whatever and wherever they can.

But never mind him. You and me. What's the difference between us? So far, that I hate the lie and the liar, understanding that he and his are bad for everything - a lesson already completely well-known and understood even in ancient Greece. But you? What do you have to say for yourself?

If you have to say you are you usually ain't. That's something you have to prove. Unfortunately I have yet to be sold on anything you've ever tried to put into words on this subject. It reeks to me of fanaticism and veiled persecution, but luckily for us pigs, I know they come from a place so effete and weak and empty that I can hardly be bothered to take them seriously. In fact they've become a mild source for humor, like the funny pages.

You hate the lie and the liar while you generalize about millions of people you've never met: your peers, your neighbors, your countrymen. You emphasize the bad while suppressing the good. You can do little more than levy false accusations—lies. It becomes pitifully clear you've become what you hate.

Let's go back to being simple: has or has not Trump told many, many lies, and is there not some lie, usually a vicious lie, in nearly every word of his that comes to public notice? Yes? No?

In my world, no one talks about politics or religion. We prefer to keep friends. It is a naturally diminishing whole. Be good.

It seems you don't live in your own world.

Why is it not lying? Is it ok for politicians to lie, some of the time or all the time? Do some politicians lie more than others? — Echarmion

All politicians spout political hyperbole. If you count that as "lying", they all lie all the time. Now lies I that I am concerned about are lies that have catastrophic results, such as the lie that the Bengazi jihadis were a popular, democratic uprising against Gaddafi. For examople.

"The claim that only CNN is allowed to read Wikileaks — Nobeernolife
Where and when did CNN use those exact words?" — Echarmion

Surprisingly, it is still on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQllunHssEk
You might want to check before rushing to the keyboard

staged muslim peace demonstrations — Nobeernolife
That just seems like political hyperbole, if it happened, which I doubt. — Echarmion

The original complete clip has been removed by Youtube and Twitter (what a surprise), but you can still find parts of it. Watch it tell us how truthful CNN is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g62_UMiv6wY

"good people" Charleston lie — Nobeernolife
Trump's words are a matter of public record. Not a lie. — Echarmion

He said "good people on both sides" about the pro/anti statue protesters, and NOT about the neonazis. Very clearly. Which you would know if you actually read the transcript, instead of listening to the fake media lies. The fake media narrative is a total lie, and one of the most shameful ones.

"fish tank cleaner as miracle cure" lie?
The thing they reported on happened, so based on your standard, not a lie. — Echarmion

No, it did NOT. Trump NEVER recommended drinking fish tank cleaner, like these two idiots did.
The misrepresentation by the Guardian et al is patently fake news.