• René Descartes
    590
    MOD OP EDIT: Please put general conversations about Trump here. Anything that is not exceptionally deserving of its own OP on this topic will be merged into this discussion. And let's keep things relatively polite. Thanks.
  • Benkei
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    I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters.

    Unless that person was black, that would probably win him votes. :vomit:

    I think that will be my new favourite emoticon.
  • Noble Dust
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    This place serves 7 purposes:
    1) Debate about Trump.
    2) Talking about Trump.
    3) Shouting whatever you want at Trump.
    4) Laughing, crying, hating, liking Trump.
    5) Whatever else you want to do so long as it relates Trump.
    6) Whateve else you want to do even though it has nothing to do with Trump.
    7) etc.
    René Descartes

    Is this a shrine, then? The number of perfection and everything?
  • René Descartes
    590
    s this a shrine, then? The number of perfection and everything?Noble Dust

    It's whatever you take it to be.
  • Agustino
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    Trump to win in 2020 again!
  • Cuthbert
    216
    "6) Whateve else you want to do even though it has nothing to do with Trump."

    I think some people who claim Bowie or the Sex Pistols changed their lives in 1970's in fact continued to listen to Gilbert O'Sullivan, the Four Tops and Barbara Sreisand most of the time. Oh yes, and Gary Glitter. And Roberta Flack, Janis Ian and Jim Croce. That's Janis Ian, not Janis Joplin, btw. Go on, admit it. You know who you are.
  • René Descartes
    590


    Trump to win in 2020 again!Agustino

    Sadly, I have a feeling you may be right.
  • unenlightened
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    Never have so many free individuals felt so helpless – so desperate to take back control from anyone they can blame for their feeling of having lost it. It should not be surprising that we have seen an exponential rise in hatred of minorities, the main pathology induced by political and economic shocks. These apparent racists and misogynists have clearly suffered silently for a long time from what Albert Camus called “an autointoxication – the evil secretion, in a sealed vessel, of prolonged impotence”. It was this gangrenous ressentiment, festering for so long in places such as the Daily Mail and Fox News, that erupted volcanically with Trump’s victory.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/08/welcome-age-anger-brexit-trump?CMP=share_btn_fb

    From last year, but worth second glance.
  • Michael
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    Trump to win in 2020 again!Agustino

    Again? Has he already won in 2020?

    Also, is there any particular reason why you'd want Trump to win as opposed to some other Republican?
  • Cuthbert
    216
    It's your topic, Rene! Subsection 6).

    Did anyone hear the brilliant adaptation of Margaret Atwood's 'The Robber Bride' on BBC R4? I'm looking forward to and also dreading part 2.
  • Agustino
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    Also, is there any particular reason why you'd want Trump to win as opposed to some other Republican?Michael
    The good thing about Trump, as opposed to many other Republicans, is that he's not afraid to be conflictual with Democrats when he must. For example, about the importance of God in American public discourse, etc.

    Again? Has he already won in 2020?Michael
    Again because he won the Presidency in the past.
  • Michael
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    The good thing about Trump, as opposed to many other Republicans, is that he's not afraid to be conflictual with Democrats when he must. For example, about the importance of God in American public discourse, etc.Agustino

    I'm sure there are plenty of other Republicans who will do that too.

    Again because he won the Presidency in the past.

    'Twas a joke, trading on ambiguity. ;)
  • René Descartes
    590


    Oh, ok. I didn't even read my own OP. Welcome to the Donald Trump chat Cuthbert and enjoy talking about random stuff.
  • Michael
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    Maybe have Mueller run as the next Republican President. ;)
  • Agustino
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    I'm sure there are plenty of other Republicans who will do that too.Michael
    For sure, but if I look at the past 20 years or so I haven't seen any Republicans do that pretty much. Bush didn't. McCain didn't. Romney didn't. Etc.
  • CuddlyHedgehog
    459
    “And when you're a star, they let you do it, you can do anything... grab them by the pussy”
  • Agustino
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    I mean the issue is that the other Republican candidates, prior to Trump, were pretty much fighting the battle on Democrat ideological battleground, accepting the assumptions of the Democrats, which also happen to be the prevailing cultural assumptions that get disseminated through Media and the Academia. Trump is the first one taking the battle on his own ground, which is different from that one.
  • Bitter Crank
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    The good thing about Trump, as opposed to many other Republicans, is that he's not afraid to be conflictual with Democrats when he must. For example, about the importance of God in American public discourse, etc.Agustino

    Oh, please! Surely you are not counting on Donald Trump to restore God to some alleged central place in American public discourse? Give us a fucking collective break.
  • Agustino
    11.3k
    Oh, please! Surely you are not counting on Donald Trump to restore God to some alleged central place in American public discourse? Give us a fucking collective break.Bitter Crank
    Not necessarily, but he's the first Republican to have adopted the right attitude when fighting the Democrats, and not give in to their presumptions, not fight the battle on their territory. That is important.
  • Michael
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    Not necessarily, but he's the first Republican to have adopted the right attitude when fighting the Democrats, and not give in to their presumptions, not fight the battle on their territory.Agustino

    Also known as "ignoring the facts".

    Sorry, couldn't resist.
  • Agustino
    11.3k
    Have some history dudes. Explaining the place of Trump and all sorts of other inexplicable strangeness.

    https://soundcloud.com/historyworkshop/episode-4-the-roots-of-white-supremacy-part-1?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=facebook
    unenlightened
    A program claiming to explain the place of Trump titled "The Roots of White Supremacy" is propaganda, and ought not to be taken seriously. After losing the election, radical leftists seem to have jumped back on their "Nazi nazi nazi, white supremacist, white supremacist" cart, where everyone they dislike is automatically a nazi or a white supremacist. The tactic of throwing this kind of fake dirt at your opposition no longer works. We all know that the millions of Americans who voted for Trump were not white supremacists. Sure, maybe among the 62 million that voted for Trump, 1 million or so, let's say, were white supremacists. But that's not the majority. That's not even a significant portion of Trump voters.
  • praxis
    880
    The good thing about Trump, as opposed to many other Republicans, is that he's not afraid to be conflictual with Democrats when he must. For example, about the importance of God in American public discourse, etc.Agustino

    Yup, Trump is a shining exemplar of Christian ethics. Just kidding. But hey, at least now we can say Merry Christmas again. Yay!
  • unenlightened
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    Dude a half hour monologue of history ranging over four centuries and several continents is way too dull to count as propaganda. The word 'nazi' though is never mentioned at all. It is your hysterical fulminating that is fake and propaganda. What 'we all know' is no doubt extensive, but listen to fucking thing before you know quite so well what it is saying. For a start, the historical legacy of white supremacy as exemplified by the British Empire and attitudes to Indian, Chinese, and African peoples and also natives of America and Australia are covered in some detail. That such a global and longterm cultural construction is not eradicated in a couple of generations does not require that it has the support of a lobby of overt supporters, it survives in law, in patterns of property ownership, in unconscious assumptions available to propagandists.

    What is really terrible, is that Trump barely get's a mention, and then as merely the continuation of an historical process.
  • Michael
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    But hey, at least now we can say Merry Christmas again. Yay!praxis

    As if you couldn't before.

    (Not directed at you but those who say such things for real).
  • Baden
    6.8k
    Trump would love this discussion so much I should really close it.
  • Agustino
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    What 'we all know' is no doubt extensive, but listen to fucking thing before you know quite so well what it is saying.unenlightened
    I haven't listened to the thing, but I'm not tempted to after you've presented it as "explaining the place of Trump" when this place is associated with "white supremacy", something that I see as a fringe view since most of Trump supporters are not white supremacists. If you said here's a documentary about white supremacy that would have been interesting - but you didn't present it that way. The way you presented it is certainly propagandistic.

    What is really terrible, is that Trump barely get's a mention, and then as merely the continuation of an historical process.unenlightened
    So... let's see. Trump barely gets mentioned, but this documentary is supposed to "explain the place of Trump".
  • unenlightened
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    So... let's see. Trump barely gets mentioned, but this documentary is supposed to "explain the place of Trump.Agustino

    So let's see. You dismiss as fake and propaganda a talk by a professor of History that you haven't heard, on the basis that it it is about white supremacy and mentions Trump. Now that is definitely making shit up to suit your prejudices, and frankly wilful ignorance that really ought to be beneath even your dignity.
  • Maw
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    Trump has repeatedly shown a reluctance to condemn white supremacists of various stripes. However, he is quick to criticize the classmates of those recently killed in Florida, or Black Americans who kneel peacefully.

    I recommend you read this fantastic piece, @Agustino.

    No, most of Trump's supporters are not 'white supremacists', but they were undeniably comfortable in voting for a man whose ideas and words and actions have overlapped with white supremacy.
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