• Nobeernolife
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    The reality I've encountered has nothing to do with CNN/NYT & etc.tim wood

    Yeah, I know they all say that. And then I turn on CNN in the morrning and see the same talking points that I just read from the TDS crowd on social media. Been around long enough to know the pattern.
  • DingoJones
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    What criteria do you use to distinguish between TDS and legitimate criticism of Trump? How do you know when a person who has a negative even anti-trump perspective is motivated/caused by TDS?
  • Monitor
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    the TDS crowdNobeernolife

    If we are all sick, and ignorant of it, then why engage with us? It can't be the challenge because we are all so stupid, it's too easy. Neither side is getting anywhere with the other. There has got to be a personal motivation. Are you like NOS and just enjoy stirring the pot? You continually end with the same sweeping generalization that discounts any response. Do you just like feeling self-satisfied?
  • Nobeernolife
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    If we are all sick, and ignorant of it, then why engage with us? It can't be the challenge because we are all so stupid,Monitor

    Dont know who "we" is but, confirmation bias and virtue signalling are human conditions.You are right, I should not waste time on social media, but by the same token, why do you continue to parrot the crap you hear on CNN on this site? It is not like you are going to convince a dissident, all you do is get browny points from your fellow echo chamber residents. So, same question.
  • Nobeernolife
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    What criteria do you use to distinguish between TDS and legitimate criticism of Trump? How do you know when a person who has a negative even anti-trump perspective is motivated/caused by TDS?DingoJones

    I ask if the criticism makes sense or not. BS like blaming Trump when some morons drink fish tank desinfectant does not. Continue at will.
  • DingoJones
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    What kinda of criticisms make sense about Trump? Any examples?
  • praxis
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    Even the designers of that law admitted that it was designed to fail.... just meant as a stepping stone to socialed medicine. (Which you can defend, if you want.... just do not pretend that it is particularly affordable or efficient.)Nobeernolife

    It makes buying health insurance within reach for more Americans. In regard to efficiency, the US spends much more per capita than other developed countries, including those with socialized healthcare, and without better health outcomes, so I'm not sure what the point is in bringing that up.
  • tim wood
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    Yeah, I know they all say that.Nobeernolife
    Any facts in your world? Or do you just take it straight from the tube? Let's try a really simple one. Did DJT have the largest, greatest, best inaugural as he claimed - insisted upon?
  • Monitor
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    Dont know who "we" is but, confirmation bias and virtue signalling are human conditions.You are right, I should not waste time on social media, but by the same token, why do you continue to parrot the crap you hear on CNN on this site? It is not like you are going to convince a dissident, all you do is get browny points from your fellow echo chamber residents. So, same question.Nobeernolife

    I have been on this forum for four years and have only 135 posts. That means I read. Nobody knows me, I don't parrot, I don't watch CNN. And the only thing I continue to do is read. And this is a philosophy forum not Twitter. The goal is not to be smugly indefeasible. I won't bother you with it again.
  • Relativist
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    I ask if the criticism makes sense or not.Nobeernolife
    Does this criticism make sense to you?
  • Nobeernolife
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    Does this criticism make sense to you?Relativist

    No. Didn´t read it in detail, but right off the bat I see so many loaded assumptions, it is clear this is another hit piece. And what else to expect from the Brookings Institute. Your next source is maybe the NYT?
  • Nobeernolife
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    It makes buying health insurance within reach for more Americans.praxis

    Not getting bogged into details, but if you do not see the contradiction in a government claiming to be able to make things "affordable" by massive regulation and taxation. And as I reminded you, even the designer of this thing said that it was designed to fail.
  • Nobeernolife
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    What kinda of criticisms make sense about Trump? Any examples?DingoJones

    I have criticised his initial Corona rethoric right here, remember? (The PR, not the actions.)
  • praxis
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    Not getting bogged into details, but if you do not see the contradiction in a government claiming to be able to make things "affordable" by massive regulation and taxation.Nobeernolife

    A little detail like the claim of "massive" taxation and regulation? I can see how that would get in the way. Affordable as in meaning that around 30 million Americans could afford to purchase health insurance, whereas before they could not afford it. Taxes increased for many, but not "massively."
  • Nobeernolife
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    A little detail like the claim of "massive" taxation and regulation? I can see how that would get in the way. Affordable as in meaning that around 30 million Americans could afford to purchase health insurance, whereas before they could not afford it. Taxes increased for many, but not "massively."praxis

    I do not know the details of that thing, and I doubt that you do, seeing almost none of the people passed actually read it. (Remember Pelosi "we have to pass it to see what is in it"). I also remember that it only became legal after a Supreme Court judge decided to re-define the punishment for non-participants a "tax" (which proponents of the thing had denied it was), so right off the bat it was based on massive taxation by definition. And I remember that the designer of the thing admitted publicly that it was designed to fail and only meant as a stepping stone to ultimate state-run nationalized medicine, along the the lines of the NHS. I pointed that out to you several times, maybe the reading problem is on your side?

    Anyway, my main point was only that any law claiming to make someting "affordable" is a contradiction in terms. You can not legislate affordability.

    I pointed that out to you several times too, you seem to have missed that.
  • DingoJones
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    No, I do not remember that. Maybe you're confusing me with someone else. I don’t think we have interacted before.
  • praxis
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    I do not know the details of that thing, and I doubt that you do, seeing almost none of the people passed actually read it.Nobeernolife

    About six years ago my wife and I were in a transition, moved to another state, and considered Obamacare between employers. It was affordable.

    We ended up paying a minor penalty for being without insurance for a few months. Nothing anyone but a deranged lunatic would call “massive.”
  • Nobeernolife
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    About six years ago my wife and I were in a transition, moved to another state, and considered Obamacare between employers. It was affordable.praxis

    Good for you. I do not see what your anecdotal evidence has to do with the basic points I made.
  • praxis
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    Well, it’s just an anecdote so let’s dismiss it.

    I concede all of your fine points.
  • tim wood
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    @Nobeernolife
    Yeah, I know they all say that.
    — Nobeernolife
    Any facts in your world? Or do you just take it straight from the tube? Let's try a really simple one. Did DJT have the largest, greatest, best inaugural as he claimed - insisted upon?
    tim wood

    Did you miss this? Or cat got your tongue?
  • Nobeernolife
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    Any facts in your world? Or do you just take it straight from the tube? Let's try a really simple one. Did DJT have the largest, greatest, best inaugural as he claimed - insisted upon?tim wood

    I do not know or care. Do you want to fact-check every frigging piece of trivia that some politician says? Or only DJT?
  • tim wood
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    I do not know or care. Do you want to fact-check every frigging piece of trivia that some politician says? Or only DJT?Nobeernolife

    You're a disgrace, nobeernoballs. And DJT, for whatever reasons, is a liar. Actually worse, but in any case that. But you're not interested in the truth or anything like that, are you, nobeernoballs?
  • Nobeernolife
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    You're a disgrace, nobeernoballs. And DJT, for whatever reasons, is a liar. Actually worse, but in any case that. But you're not interested in the truth or anything like that, are you, nobeernoballs?tim wood

    I do not know what your name-calling is about. I know the "mainstream" media slogan about Trump being a "liar", but everytime I partially checked some of those lists of lies, I only found distortions, misinterpretations or outright false claims.
    The lies by the "mainstream" however have been non-stop, vicious, and dangerous, the last one being the claim that Trump asked people to drink fish tank desinfectant as a Corona cure. That was just beyond the pale. Completely disgusting. But while most media outlets have since retracted the claim, some just let it stand and changed the topic.

    What is the worst lie that you are blaming Trump for?
  • ZhouBoTong
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    I do not know what your name-calling is about. I know the "mainstream" media slogan about Trump being a "liar", but everytime I partially checked some of those lists of lies, I only found distortions, misinterpretations or outright false claims.Nobeernolife

    Really?...what about this one:

    Did DJT have the largest, greatest, best inaugural as he claimed - insisted upon?tim wood
  • NOS4A2
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    nobeernoballs

    Lol you have a way with words, Tim, I’ll give you that. Trumpian, even.
  • tim wood
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    What is the worst lie that you are blaming Trump for?Nobeernolife
    Fair question, but there are so many it's hard to know where to start. Many of his public pronouncements on the Corona virus have had nothing to do with truth. But I find egregious his lies about his inauguration, his electoral college margin, and that millions of ballots were illegitimate. These fall into the category of what's sometimes called "the Big Lie." That is, the lie told to destroy entirely notions of truth and accuracy. I do not know that Hitler invented the big lie, but he was a practitioner. The Soviet state operated on it, And Putin is a master of it. And that's your boy, the company he keeps, and the techniques he uses. And there's the pathological dimension.

    Question to you: you appear to defend Trump. Are you? And if so, what about him are you defending?
  • Nobeernolife
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    Really?...what about this one:ZhouBoTong

    I answered that. I do not know had the friggin "greatest" inauguration, and I do not care. Maybe his Majesty Barrack Obama had a greater inaugoration in your mind. Why is that relevant?
    So is that the greatest, most profound "lie" that you can think of?
  • Monitor
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    I do not know what your name-calling is aboutNobeernolife

    He may have learned it from our president.
  • tim wood
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    I answered that. I do not know had the friggin "greatest" inauguration, and I do not care. Maybe his Majesty Barrack Obama had a greater inaugoration in your mind. Why is that relevant?
    So is that the greatest, most profound "lie" that you can think of?
    Nobeernolife

    Proving beyond doubt that either you're terminally stupid - which I doubt - or vicious in the way of weasels and liars. The subject is not the size of anyone's inaugural, but rather lying about it.

    But while we don't want you anywhere near us, we can pray that you have leadership for yourself all by yourself that's on the model of your hero, one that never says anything that is true to you - except as an accident.
  • ZhouBoTong
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    I answered that. I do not know had the friggin "greatest" inauguration, and I do not care.Nobeernolife

    So then, when you said,
    but everytime I partially checked some of those lists of lies, I only found distortions, misinterpretations or outright false claims.Nobeernolife

    You just don't check most of them? Why would it be difficult to admit he lied in this case? You don't even need to do research. Sounds like a type of derangement syndrome. I wonder if anyone has talked about that as an actual thing?
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