ok, you don't actually care about the answer to the question you're asking. No idea why you've decided to troll me here. It's not interesting.

It's not interesting. — flannel jesus

Look, fool. You don't get it. I am interesting!

Right, exactly, not violence. That's what I'm saying. — flannel jesus

Violences also defined as actions that are intended or likely to hurt people or cause damage to them. I have no problem using offense instead of violence when it comes to insult. Anyhow, burning the Quaran is an offense in my opinion and it should be the subject of the punishment by the laws.

Should all offenses by subject to punishment by the laws? Anytime you offend anyone?

Where are you from, MoK? I'm from Argentina. — Arcane Sandwich

I am from Iran. Glad to meet you here!

Why don't you ask yourself that question? Did I offend you? Am I offending you now?

you're just boring me. too illogical.

That's an opinion, not a fact.

cheers mate! :) I thought you were from Germany! LOL! :D

Should all offenses be subject to punishment by the laws? — flannel jesus

I think so.

Anytime you offend anyone? — flannel jesus

I think so.

so if homosexuality offends someone, the homosexual should be punished?

And if some homophobe says "homosexuality offends me", and that offends a homosexual, the homophobe should be punished?

the quran offends me, should people who distribute the quran be punished?

cheers mate! :) I thought you were from Germany! LOL! — Arcane Sandwich

Why Germany? Did you realize that from my accent? :razz:

so if homosexuality offends someone, the homosexual should be punished? — flannel jesus

Homosexuality does not offend me. Some people feel otherwise.

Why Germany? Did you realize that from my accent? :razz: — MoK

1) You have a dragon as a portrait, but in a European sytle : )
2) You mentioned Germany in this Thread, and a German word.
3) You like propositional logic and first-order predicate logic, and Hegelian dialectical logic.
4) You have several Threads about the nature of God, and if he changes or not, etc.

Sounds like German stuff to me. You like European culture, apparently. It's like Edward Said's concept of "Orientalism", but backwards: you like Occidentalism :D

What is offense, if not just a feeling? Isn't offending someone just making them feel offended?

↪MoK so if homosexuality offends someone, the homosexual should be punished?

And if some homophobe says "homosexuality offends me", and that offends a homosexual, the homophobe should be punished? — flannel jesus

Are you saying that you're a homosexual? It's Ok dude, you don't offend @MoK, and you don't offend me either.

Homosexuality does not offend me. Some people feel otherwise. — MoK

I see!

What is offense, if not just a feeling? Isn't offending someone just making them feel offended? — flannel jesus

According to Google: "An offense is a criminal act, while violence is the act of causing physical harm. Violent crimes are a type of offense.".

So how does that answer any of the relevant talking points we've been talking about?

What's the criteria for offense? Why is burning a quran offensive, but being a homosexual or even a homophobe not offensive? What determines if something is offensive or not? It's all very wishy washy right now, so much of this has been riding on what is or isn't offensive and it turns out you seem to just have an arbitrary idea of what is and isn't offensive. Let's make it less arbitrary, draw out the boundaries of offense please.

So how does that answer any of the relevant talking points we've been talking about? — flannel jesus

Let me summarize things, burning the Quran is an offense, and any offense is the subject of punishment.

an offense based on what criteria?

an offense based on what criteria? — flannel jesus

You hurt people's feelings.

Right, so it is just based on peoples feelings. So anytime anybody feels like they've been offended, that's an offense? Anytime someone's feelings are hurt, that's an offense? That's a crime worthy of punishment from the local government?

What are your thoughts on Emerson's Transcendentalism?
What are your thoughts on Peirce's Reasonableness?
What do you think of Materialism? — Arcane Sandwich

I haven't thought about Emerson recently (decades) but if Google's summary of transcendentalism is accurate, then:

Self-reliance, individualism, nonconformity, and free thought have been important in my thinking.
Seeing nature as a source of truth and belief seems problematic. Believing that God is present in nature is also problematic--fine for flowers and bees, less so for remorseless disease which is also part of nature. Valuing intuition over logic and scientific method? My intuition is that we are better off being guided by science than by intuition.

Peirce's Reasonableness seems quite reasonable. I'm not so familiar with Pierce that I should expatiate on the matter. Let's see, what's the date today? Not sure I have time left to become an expert on him.

Materialism ("a form of philosophical monism which holds that matter is the fundamental substance in nature") doesn't seen disputable. And ("that all things, including mental states and consciousness, are results of material interactions of material things") is at least largely true. It may be altogether the case, but I'm not sure that we can say that consciousness or ideas are the result of material interactions.

So why do you ask? What is your question's connection to the topic of this thread?

Do you tango?

↪Arcane Sandwich Do you tango? — BC

No, I don't dance, in any way, shape, or form, with anyone, because I make the Ethical decision to not do such a thing, just as I make the Ethical decision to not do drugs.

Regrettably, philosophy is a mind drug.

I formally invite you (and informally request you) that we continue this conversation from the point of view of the Straight Edge ideology and lifestyle. Specifically, Vegan Straight Edge. Particularly, as preached by the Straight Edge / Heavy Metal Hardcore Vegan Punk Band "Earth Crisis".

Street by street,
Block by block...

... the Youth's immersed in Poison. Let's Turn the Tide and counter-attack: violence against violence, let the roundups begin: a firestorm to purify the bane that society drowns in. No mercy, no exception, a declaration of total war: The Innocent's Defense: The Reason It's Waged For.

Born addicted,
beaten and neglected
Families torn apart
Destroyed and abandoned
Children sell their bodies
From their high they fall to drown
Demons crazed by greed
Cut bystanders down.

A chemically tainted
Welfare generation
Absolute complete
Moral degeneration

Corrupt politicians
Corrupt enforcement
Dealers, all must fall: The Helpless Are Crying Out: We Have Risen to Their Call:

A FIRESTORM TO PURIFY.

I haven't thought about Emerson recently — BC

What do you think about Emerson's Transcendentalism? I don't care what robots think. Fuck them.

Let's make it less arbitrary, draw out the boundaries of offense please. — flannel jesus

But it's like, don't you know them already? Everyone knows what those are.