That's why some of your own folk have been burning your own flag ever since the 60's, man.

To prove the exact same point.

Nothing I said was about "proving a point". What point? It's a challenge, not a point. And it's a challenge that every other community other than Muslims pass with flying colors every time.

Burn a bible, see if you get stabbed. You won't. Burn a printout of the declaration of independence or the american constitution, see if you get stabbed. You won't. Everyone else passes the challenge except muslims.

That's because there are politicians who want to ban flag burning. I don't know of any politician that wants to ban Quran burning.

If you say so.

Good point! : )

Be Careful What You With For... :naughty:

Good point! : ) — Arcane Sandwich

Thanks. That's in America though. Parts of Europe might need testing when it comes to freedom of speech.

They always do. They think they're better than us.

I don't think that violence can resolve any problem, whether it is in the form of burning the Quran or stabbing the guy who burned the Quran since violence just invites more violence. It is only through discussion that we can agree on and know the Truth.

Why would you consider burning a book 'violence'? If it's violence, then does that imply Muslims have the right to self-defense from that violence?

Why would you consider burning a book 'violence'? — flannel jesus

Because it offends the feelings of the believers in the Quran.

If it's violence, then does that imply Muslims have the right to self-defense from that violence? — flannel jesus

In my opinion, they don't have such a right but they think otherwise!

Because it offends the feelings of the believers in the Quran — MoK

Is this a general belief of yours? Offending feelings is violence in general?

Is this a general belief of yours? — flannel jesus

No, it is not only a belief.

Offending feelings is violence in general? — flannel jesus

Insulting is prohibited by laws in all well-developed countries. It is prohibited because it causes emotional distress.

so everything that is prohibited by laws is violence?

and no, insulting isn't prohibited by laws in those countries. Insulting is actually pretty generally allowed.

We just saw Kendrick Lamar perform a song at the superbowl specifically written to insult one person. Nobody stopped him.

Maybe he'll get sued, at worst, but it won't be treated like a violent crime. Because it's not violence.

So everything that is prohibited by laws is violence? — flannel jesus

Every violence is prohibited by the laws.

and no, insulting isn't prohibited by laws in those countries. Insulting is actually pretty generally allowed. — flannel jesus

Then please Google "insulting", "laws" and your preferred country. This is the result I found for Germany: "In Germany, "insulting" someone, legally defined as "Beleidigung," is considered a criminal offense under Section 185 of the German Criminal Code (StGB), meaning you can be punished by a fine or even imprisonment for up to one year, with the penalty potentially increasing to two years if the insult is committed publicly or through assault; essentially, the law protects a person's personal honor from verbal attacks."

And which part of that law says the insult is violence?

And which part of that law says the insult is violence? — flannel jesus

Violence is a term used when you harm someone. This harm could be physical, such as murdering, or verbal, such as insult.

@MoK, look at you, you smart Dragon! :)

EDIT: Do you speak German, MoK?

Thanks, mate! :)

ok so no part of the law says it's violent. Even if you go to jail for slander, say, they won't consider you a "violent criminal".

ok so no part of the law says it's violent. Even if you go to jail for slander, say, they won't consider you a "violent criminal". — flannel jesus

A violent criminal is someone who commits crimes that involve the use of force or weapons to injure or kill others. We are talking about insult here.

Right, exactly, not violence. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. — flannel jesus

Is it?

EDIT: Do you speak German, MoK? — Arcane Sandwich

Yes, but not without using Google! :razz:

Where are you from, MoK? I'm from Argentina.

yes, one person has been calling insults "violence" this whole time, and it's not me.

it's not me. — flannel jesus

It's not you? What do you mean? Be specific. Detailed, if you must.

You inserted yourself into a conversation between two other people. If you care about what happened in the conversation, you're welcome to read it yourself. You can start up here. https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/969582

↪Arcane Sandwich You inserted yourself into a conversation between two other people. — flannel jesus

Don't I have the right to do such a thing? It's a basic human right.

If you care about what happened in the conversation — flannel jesus

I don't, really. It seems like a rather trivial point. It's beneath me, as an intellectual.

you're welcome to read it yourself. — flannel jesus

Who else would read it, if not myself, if I'm welcome to read it?

You can start up here. — flannel jesus

Oh, I've already started a very, very long time ago ;)

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/969582 — flannel jesus

So what's that? Some sort of "gang sign" that you're just throwing up at me? You might as well make funny gestures with your hands, for all I care.