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flannel jesus
2.5khttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14394923/Man-holding-burning-book-Turkish-embassy-London-attacked-knife.html
Someone burned a Quran in London yesterday. Another man attacked him with a knife in retaliation.
I presume most of us here agree that burning a holy book shouldn't be met with that kind of violence period, right? That kind of goes without question for most thinking people.
What's perhaps a more divisive question is, are there good reasons to burn a Quran? If so, what are they? (This question is separate from if it should be allowed - you can say it should be allowed AND hold that there's no good reason to).-
Are there good reasons, today, to burn a Quran? Yes47%No53%
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Are there good reasons, today, to burn a Quran?
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Arcane Sandwich
2.2kTo burn a Qur'an is not the same thing as burning the Qur'an, for the same reason that burning a Bible is not the same thing as burning the Bible.
And yes, it's ok to burn any book if, for example, you're a homeless person living in the street, and you are about to experience a cold night if you don't keep your fire going with something to use as fuel.
And what I just said there is one hellfire ( :fire: ) of a . -
flannel jesus
2.5kTo burn a Qur'an is not the same thing as burning the Qur'an — Arcane Sandwich
What's the difference? -
Arcane Sandwich
2.2kAre you not aware of the centuries-old debate concerning the nature of the Qur'an?
To wit, was it created or discovered?
If it was created, then there's no problem burning it, because it can be created again.
If it wasn't created, then it can't be destroyed, so there's no problem burning it.
is obvious. -
T Clark
14.8kI presume most of us here agree that burning a holy book shouldn't be met with that kind of violence period, right? That kind of goes without question for most thinking people. — flannel jesus
There are plenty of "thinking people" who believe that violence is an appropriate response to desecrating the Quran. Not me, but millions of others. -
Arcane Sandwich
2.2kQuran Burning — flannel jesus
and — flannel jesus
Stabbing in London — flannel jesus
What's the difference? — flannel jesus
(Quran Burning) And / (Stabbing in London)
If And, then:
Stabbing in London: A Horror Story
-by Arcane Sandwich
Stabbing is unethical. Especially in London.
The end. -
BitconnectCarlos
2.6kWhat's perhaps a more divisive question is, are there good reasons to burn a Quran? — flannel jesus
The first one that comes to mind is that the practice is a way of preserving/testing the outer limits of free speech and free expression in a society. It tests those enlightenment-era values against older religious values involving inviolable divine directives or the sanctity of the holy book. -
Arcane Sandwich
2.2kIt tests those enlightenment-era values against older religious values involving inviolable divine directives or the sanctity of the holy book. — BitconnectCarlos
Perfectly said.
Flawless.
Impeccable. -
Arcane Sandwich
2.2kThe Qur'an that can be written
Is not the True Qur'an.
Just as the Tao that can be said
Is not the True Tao.
The Difference is
That Tao is an Open Book
The Qur'an
Is a Secret Book:
You Will Never Understand It.
Because it is the Book of God.
And What is God,
if not Secret?
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Arcane Sandwich
2.2kIn Other Words.
No Artificial Intelligence
Will Ever Understand the True Meaning of the Qur'an
For the Qur'an Itself
Not the One That is Written
Is None Other than The Book of Nature Itself,
And What is a Machine,
if Not Artifice?
The Exact Opposite of Nature Itself?
I Fear Not the Machine
Nor do I Rage Against it
The Machine is Nothing to Me
For I am Human.
And as Such,
I am from Nature Itself.
Where is the Machine From?
If not from Nature's Creatures? -
Arcane Sandwich
2.2kAnd the telos of a fuel? — tim wood
There is no such thing as the telos of a fuel. -
Arcane Sandwich
2.2kAnd how are you so sure? It has all four causes.... — tim wood
There is only efficient causation.
There is no formal causation,
There is no material causation,
And there is no finalistic causation either.
The only type of causation that exists is efficient causation. -
Arcane Sandwich
2.2kYes, it is, because what makes it a fuel is the efficient causation of the burning.
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LuckyR
590
Well it's not the fault of the mugging victim who walks through a dangerous part of town at 3 in the morning, yet simultaneously it is a reckless thing to do.
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