Schzophr
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↪Frank Apisa
People's pain tolerances vary but let's say I dropped a feather on your head, does it warrant assisted suicide? — Schzophr
Schzophr
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↪Frank Apisa
no it honestly is. Pain is rooted in logic.
3 minutes ago
Reply — Schzophr
In essence it is just sex with someone you don't like — Schzophr
Some people post threads about trauma and how to deal with it. Others only care about trauma when it results in the greatest trauma of all - liberal government overreach. Who cares more about the experience of the person at the center of this? — csalisbury
In about 10 weeks, I'll be 83. — Frank Apisa
Bitter Crank
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↪Hanover
↪csalisbury
I've never been sexually abused or raped, so I do not know from personal experience how much trauma that can cause. Still, over a lifetime many of us are subjected to quite real traumatic experiences and their consequences with which we have to deal. I can be more philosophical about this than an adolescent (one would hope). I do believe there is a social element to trauma: How people react to one's trauma can aggravate or ameliorate it. Denying that a trauma occurred won't help, and neither will dilating on the awfulness of the trauma.
Getting good mental health care is essential; it might be a psychiatrist; it might be a parent; it might be a therapist; it might be peers, etc. And conversely, the same people can provide unhelpful care. One of the supposed benefits of a strong religious tradition is that it gives a traumatised person more beneficial contexts in which to place their suffering. (Of course, bad religion makes sexual trauma worse.). A strong secular ethical tradition can do the same thing too (positively and negatively).
It sounds like some of the agents that should have been on hand and helpful were either missing or were not helpful. Suicidal wishes (or euthanasia) should not be acceptable responses to trauma.
22 minutes ago — Bitter Crank
Since nobody has suggested we do that, I can't see the relevance of this comment.It would be crazier to ignore the literally of hundreds of other cites simply because Fox reported the same thing too. — Hanover
No they don't. In fact the Independent's report is quite explicit about the uncertainty over whether the suicide was assisted.they all use the term "euthanize." — Hanover
If she was in pain enough to still want to die three years later, and to actually go through with it, all the way to the point where its not something you talk to people about in order to get them to see you a certain way and something you actually do - then, I don't see anything wrong with it. She was 17, sure, but it's hard to imagine she'd feel different at 18. — csalisbury
I'm, quite honestly, sickened that people could just stand idly by while a young, thoughtful lady killed herself.
1h — NKBJ
I took your post to question my motives, as if I truly don't care about the traumatized, but I'm just more interested in promoting my brand of conservatism. My point is that I'm interested in the philosophical component of this issue and that's why the focus is on the ethical issue, not on my expressions of sympathy for the young girl and her family. While the latter is humane and appropriate in other contexts, it's not part of this discussion.Maybe, but that's a pretty stringent insistence on topic hygiene I don't usually see crop up. It's not exclusively philosophical, but philosophy has a part to play, and that characterizes quite a few threads on here, including many of both mine and yours. Besides, the OP ends with a question that is legalistic, not philosophical. — csalisbury
What are you suggesting they should have done, that they did not already do? Force-fed her? — andrewk
The problem rests in trying to distinguish her wishes from her current illness. Her 17 year old mental state could well be temporary, but her decision while now weighed down with trauma will be permanent. I would impose whatever necessary to keep her alive at this point at least. If this were a 40 year old with decades of pain, a better case might be made to allow her to die. — Hanover
But now you are not talking about euthanasia at all, but about forcible treatment against one's will on the grounds presumably of mental incompetence.
Which is a bit off topic. — unenlightened
And a whole bunch of audacity, pretentiousness, pomposity, and sticking his nose where it does not belong. — Frank Apisa
Hanover
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And a whole bunch of audacity, pretentiousness, pomposity, and sticking his nose where it does not belong. — Frank Apisa
Generally laws apply to other people too, which allows us to stick our noses into the affairs of other's. What you allow your daughter to do and what she decides to do might be my business, as what I do might be hers. — Hanover
When did the script flip where I became the proponent of government intervention and everyone else became libertarians?
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