whether we should allow even such reasonable instances for fear the empowered will continue to euthanize children. — Hanover
Assuming the facts reported are accurate, do you not see this as murder? — Hanover
Andrew4Handel
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They could have sedated her and given her stomache peg and fed her that way.
They could have forced her to stay alive for a few years trying out all manner of neurological treatments and psychotherapies to make her life desirable to her. — Andrew4Handel
Are you afraid of death? — Frank Apisa
You would actually FORCE someone to stay alive who does not want to stay alive? — Frank Apisa
Andrew4Handel
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Are you afraid of death? — Frank Apisa
Like any rational person. — Andrew4Handel
You would actually FORCE someone to stay alive who does not want to stay alive? — Frank Apisa
Life is based on force.No one asks to be born. Life isn't consensual. If you want to be consistent you should be an antinatalist. — Andrew
This was actually suicide, and it has been misreported. — VagabondSpectre
She would have to be kept sedated or in restraints, and on suicide watch during these years of exhaustive experimentation on her psyche. And if in the end, it fails anyway, they will have done nothing but harm. — VagabondSpectre
Whether or not this 17 year old girl made a naive decision should not come to bear on the decisions of terminally ill patients to end their suffering. — VagabondSpectre
I agree, but legislation can have unintended consequences. I do gain some comfort in knowing that there's a nation reckless enough to be the guinea pig so that the details can be sorted out before these ideas will be tried on my soil.
I do find this Dutch experiment vile. It's a step backward for compassionate end of life care and it treats human life as just another item. — Hanover
According to the various sources I've found, she decided to stop eating, and while she had been force-fed in a previous instance, this time her parents decided not to intervene and "let her go". Western media is simply misreporting it, and probably haven't issued many corrections yet (if ever) because it's perfect click-bait. — VagabondSpectre
Given the source is Fox News, that is way too big an assumption for me!Assuming the facts reported are accurate — Hanover
Are you afraid of death? — Frank Apisa
Are you afraid of death? — Frank Apisa
"I'm not afraid of death; I just don't want to be there when it happens." (Woody Allen). As one progresses through 'old age' death doesn't necessarily become a welcome prospect. But fact is, guys my age are far, far closer to death now than when we were 30 (according to actuarial tables). I mean, death feels closer. A lot of guys my age have already been dead for 10 years! — Bitter Crank
The Independent article may or may not say essentially the same things as the Fox one - I didn't check - but it would be crazy to base any assessment of an important issue of social policy on a report from Fox News. — andrewk
Assuming the facts reported are accurate... — Hanover
Clarification: An earlier version of this story reported that Pothoven’s death came via euthanasia. It is unclear whether doctors assisted her in death, though she earlier requested their help. — Washington Post
Schzophr
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No it's not.
What's bad is if that person was marked physically or raped repetitively.
You'll receive more stigma for mental illness.
People saying "schizo" and spook word "nonsense" is likely to cause more stress than rape; and people say these things freely.
If it's about the stigma, no it's not bad enough for suicide. If it's about traumatic memories, yes, they are painful, but it doesn't warrant suicide.
Rape is not a severe pain unless repetitive (like from a parent to a child) and physically marking.
If I was raped and the next day I was completely clean and physically healthy, I could live with it. What you're suggesting is that the mental pain of rape is severe enough for assisted suicide. — Schzophr
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