I agree. — unenlightened
not to troll you; but, it's that kind of attitude that leads to this outcome. — Wallows
Yes. And the attitude of 'never give up' leads to endless suffering. Take your pick. — unenlightened
Suffering is real. — unenlightened
That's great, but I hope you do realize that even their mental health care system is woefully inadequate. — NKBJ
"Right to refuse treatment
You have the right to refuse medical treatment, including medication, unless ordered by a court. But you can be given care for personal hygiene or in an emergency without your agreement.
In exceptional situations, health care institutions can use force, isolation, medication or other types of restraints to prevent harm to you or someone else. The use of these methods must be minimal and must be noted in your medical record. " — Hanover
This is a very pessimistic characterisation. My Skoda Octavia is not woefully inadequate simply because the ultimate car still has to be invented. It's entirely adequate but I won't win an F1 race with it. Most therapies that have been developed help, even if they don't cure every mental disease. — Benkei
My Skoda Octavia is not woefully inadequate simply because the ultimate car still has to be invented. — Benkei
Yes, I read that and I recall we already went over the fact she wasn't legally incapacitated in which case the court cannot order any treatment. At least in the Netherlands. — Benkei
Why lean toward death? — Hanover
How do you know? You've never been to Alabama. — Hanover
VagabondSpectre
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↪Frank Apisa
Whether or not a seventeen year old is cognizant enough to make the decision for themselves is the relevant issue. "We" do need to make decisions on behalf of children all the time. — VagabondSpectre
Obviously there are people here who would have preferred the young woman step in front of a moving train or tractor trailer to end her misery.
It is their right to feel that way.
I just disagree. — Frank Apisa
Having to think hard and well about what is best for another human being in distress is hard work, and you apparently don't have the guts to do it. You'd rather abandon them in their time of need. — NKBJ
I do not see how a "time of need" has an expiration date. — NKBJ
There are simply those of us who wish this young lady were ALIVE and being TREATED and given the chance at HAPPINESS, instead of just giving up on her and letting her die a horrible, slow death because that's what's most convenient for people like you. — NKBJ
She lives, there is a chance (I would say very good, you may say very poor, so let's settle on 50%) that she will live a good life. — NKBJ
Let's say it's 50/50. — NKBJ
Benkei
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She lives, there is a chance (I would say very good, you may say very poor, so let's settle on 50%) that she will live a good life. — NKBJ
You think this is a negotiation? Then we're definitely not settling on 50-50 when you've already admitted treatment is woefully inadequate. The question might be what likelihood of no improvement would you require to allow for euthanasia?
Personally, I'd allow euthanasia when the likelihood of suicide, regardless of the level of suffering, is close to 100% as was the case here. — Benkei
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