John was written later and reflects the idea that Jesus was the Son of God. That's all Neoplatonic, Stoic stuff. The original Jesus was obviously just a prophet associated with the Essenes. — frank
Two substances could have different essences. Two substances could have the same essence but different properties, such as location. Two Omnipresent substances however have to have different essences if all their other properties are the same.Of course they are different essences, but the question is in what way they are different. Aren't there any details of the properties between the different essences? — Corvus
How could He be the Son of Man if Mary is accepted to be a virgin?Careful reading of the gospels will reveal that Jesus claimed himself to be Son of Man rather than Son of God. — Metaphysician Undercover
Two substances could have different essences. Two substances could have the same essence but different properties, such as location. Two Omnipresent substances however have to have different essences if all their other properties are the same. — MoK
Christians rationalize this as the product of his human nature. That human nature could experience real human suffering, without which there could be no atonement.He said on the Cross: "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?". How could He be abandoned if He and God are one? — MoK
To me, two things help us distinguish objects from each other: essence and attributes. Essence is about what an object is—attribute however allows us to distinguish objects that have the same essence.Here again, your understanding on "essence" seems to be wrong. The essence of God means all the attributes that make God for what the God is. You should have listed all the attributes or properties what make the God Jesus, and also the God who created the world. — Corvus
The main attributes of God are Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Omnipotent.The question was looking for the details of the attributes and properties for those Gods. — Corvus
Could you have used the word "property" or "attribute" rather than "essence"? I am sure the concept "essence" can mean different things.To me, two things help us distinguish objects from each other: essence and attributes. Essence is about what an object is—attribute however allows us to distinguish objects that have the same essence. — MoK
Herein arises questions. You claimed that you are an agnostic. If you don't know if God exists, then how do you know what God is, and how do you know God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent?The main attributes of God are Omniscient, Omnipresent, and Omnipotent. — MoK
It depends on what you mean by properties and attributes.Could you have used the word "property" or "attribute" rather than "essence"? — Corvus
Yes, philosophers define essence differently.I am sure the concept "essence" can mean different things. — Corvus
These are what people believe.Herein arises questions. You claimed that you are an agnostic. If you don't know if God exists, then how do you know what God is, and how do you know God is omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent? — Corvus
Of course, not.Are you able to know the properties of God without knowing if God exists, or what God means? — Corvus
Believer of God.Who are the "people"? — Corvus
I don't think that is a valid and sound argument for the existence of God.If you are an agnostic, shouldn't you try to prove on the existence of God? — Corvus
No, I just mentioned what people believe.Talking about the properties of God gave a strong indication that you are not an agnostic. — Corvus
The proof of God is not the subject of this thread. The main purpose of this thread is to point out the conflict between different verses from the Bible, accepting they are right.The question was, shouldn't you try to prove the existence of God before discussing about the property of God? Have you proved the existence of God? — Corvus
The proof of God is not the subject of this thread. The main purpose of this thread is to point out the conflict between different verses from the Bible, accepting they are right. — MoK
Belief is either based on reason or faith. People have faith in God and believe that the Bible is the word of God regardless of whether there is a reason for it or not.Sure, but the suggestion was, wouldn't it be logical to come to some form of demonstration or proof on the existence of God, before going into pointing out the conflicts in the Bible?
When no one knows if God exists, or even what God is, then how could we discuss on the conflicts in the Bible which are supposed to be what God had said and did? It was just a suggestion in the form of question. — Corvus
Belief is either based on reason or faith. People have faith in God and believe that the Bible is the word of God regardless of whether there is a reason for it or not. — MoK
I use reason to discuss religious concepts. The religious concepts are based on the scriptures, in this case, the Bible. I reason that the doctrine of the Trinity is problematic, accepting the verses of the Bible to be true. As far as I can tell, this is a part of the philosophy of religion.OK, fair enough. However, if you say your concept of God is based on faith, and you believe God exists from your faith, then the whole discussion would turn to a religious nature. This is The Philosophy Forum. In philosophy, we discuss the topics based on mainly reason, not faith. — Corvus
I use reason to discuss religious concepts. The religious concepts are based on the scriptures, in this case, the Bible. I reason that the doctrine of the Trinity is problematic, accepting the verses of the Bible to be true. As far as I can tell, this is a part of the philosophy of religion. — MoK
Belief is either based on reason or faith. People have faith in God and believe that the Bible is the word of God regardless of whether there is a reason for it or not. — MoK
God, at least within Abrahamic religions, is defined as the creator of everything. Christians believe that God is a trion, three united persons. Muslims and Jews disagree with the concept of the Trinity though.Sure, belief and faith on the Bible is not the main issue in logical and rational investigation to any topic of God. It would be more suitable for religious discussions. Therefore we could start by asking even what you mean by "God".
What is God? — Corvus
In the Old Testament God introduced itself as "I am that I am". In Christianity, God is three persons, Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit. God is called Allah in Islam.Is the name of God, God? All the Gods have their names, so what is the names of God in the Bible? — Corvus
Not according to what I am aware of.Does God sometimes abandon his/her followers? — Corvus
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