I read your saying brain tells mind what to do. That sounded like your brain does everything, and even orders your mind to do all the things for you. Your point was not clear at all. — Corvus
such that there is a series of events and processes that such object, -the brain-, is undergoing when it is engaged in any cognitive activity, including what you call "consciousness". I don't like the word "consciousness" myself, I prefer the word "awareness". — Arcane Sandwich
Sure, everyone knows that. But problem is what part of the chemistry and neurons in the brain represents your reasoning Socrates is mortal? and under what forms? — Corvus
Yeah, well, you know….it’s a bitch not being able to find any decent gymnasia these days. — Mww
You're asking a question that falls within the domain of one of the most cutting-edge sciences of today, cognitive neuroscience. I am not a neuroscientist. I cannot answer that question myself. And I'm not even sure that cognitive neuroscientists have figured that out yet, but there might be some promising research programs in that sense. — Arcane Sandwich
Other than that, I think Mapping the Medium‘s response is pretty good. — Wayfarer
Well, you posited brain as mind saying that brain tells your mind to do things — Corvus
But Philosophy can still examine on all the subjects and topics under the sun, to investigate what they claim to be true is making sense from logical point of view. — Corvus
Not quite. The brain is not identical to the mind, and the mind cannot be reduced to the brain. The mind (as a series of events, and as a series of complex processes) is itself a series of events and processes that a living brain is undergoing. — Arcane Sandwich
No Corvus, brain does not tell mind what to do. Brain does mind. Brain undergoes a process, and that process is mind. And that is what my brain is telling your brain, right now. You are free to disbelieve it. But I am just as free to believe it. Right? — Arcane Sandwich
Hmmm... but my mind is simply what my brain does, just as my digestion is simply what my gut does. Right? Or do you disagree? Feel free to disagree. — Arcane Sandwich
When you claimed your mind is simply what you brain does. It was not clear. It sounded like,
1) Your mind is your brain, or
2) Your brain does something to the mind, or
3) Your brain tells your mind to do all the things, or
4) Your mind is simply what your brain does.
5) So you have your brain, and also the mind which sounded like the Cartesian dualist.
6) But then you say, your mind is your brain. — Corvus
I am more interested in the discussions of perception, consciousness, reasoning, propositions, belief, truth and logical proof in philosophy. Not really into biology or neurology at all. — Corvus
I am not sure if it is that simple. I also wonder if it would be much point to say mind is what brain does, when we don't know any details about the "does" part of brain. I mean when you say 2+2=4, what exactly is happening in the brain with which chemicals, which links to what cells.It's option (4). I am effectively saying that your mind is simply what your brain does, because the mind is a process (a neuro-cognitive process) that the brain undergoes. — Arcane Sandwich
Those are just my main interests, but I would talk about anything if it is philosophical and interesting topic. Not limiting my self to just talk about certain topics at all.Fair enough. Is that what you would like to talk about? Explain your point of view to me, then, if that's what you would prefer to discuss. — Arcane Sandwich
we don't know any details about the "does" part of brain. I mean when you say 2+2=4, what exactly is happening in the brain with which chemicals, which links to what cells — Corvus
getting back to the OP - answering what the factual properties of a person are, and why the factual properties cannot be altered. Science will simply not be able to answer the questions. — Corvus
That's interesting. If you would open a new OP for that topic, and analyse what the details of their findings are, I would be keen to read and jump in.There's scientists working on those sorts of problems, that's all I can say about that, honestly. We don't know the exact, detailed mechanisms of such processes. But scientists do have more or less a general picture of what's going on. We know what parts of the brain are responsible for language, which parts are responsible for memory, which parts are responsible for feelings, etc. — Arcane Sandwich
If you are happy accepting the answer as the best answer available even if it is unsatisfactory, then I think we have arrived at somewhat meaningful point of the discussion. And I am happy with that.I disagree, and not because I want to fight. I disagree here because I think that science does give the answers to those questions, but those answers are "unsatisfactory". As you correctly said, the reason why I have the factual properties that I have, is because of my two biological parents. That's the scientific explanation. But it's unsatisfactory. Why was I born in 1985 and not the Middle Ages, or the Future? It just makes no sense to me, from a First Person Perspective. — Arcane Sandwich
That's interesting. If you would open a new OP for that topic, and analyse what the details of their findings are, I would be keen to read and jump in. — Corvus
For your why question, you could ask first, why do you find the question compelling too i.e. what made you to ask the question first place. — Corvus
If you could answer that, and I am sure, only you could answer that question — Corvus
I am too lazy. :DHonestly, I don't want to monopolize the Main Page of the Forum. I already started three OP, and I'm actively discussing in about half a dozen or so. So, I'm reluctant to open a new OP, about anything. Besides, why not start that OP yourself? It might be better, since you can start it with your own question, and ask for the best answer to it. I can then contribute to the best of my ability. — Arcane Sandwich
If you talk about modality, that's interesting. I did some experiments with modal thinking before. I concluded that all modal thinking is only practical for the future applications in life. Once the event has passed, and becomes past, modal thinking just becomes imagination. Even if there were good conclusions from the modal thinking, it was only useful for the lessons for future applications or situations.There are two modalities that are directly clashing with each other, and those modalities are: contingency, on the one hand, and necessity, on the other hand. — Arcane Sandwich
doing anything about the past events is not an option. — Corvus
Even God cannot intervene. — Corvus
These What-If, and Whys will never be altered no matter how you tried — Corvus
These are some of the factual properties and events in the universe that the PSR doesn't apply by another principle. — Corvus
I am not a theoretical physicist, but my understanding is that there is no "past" to travel to. That is, the concept of continuous time is an inaccurate lay person model. — LuckyR
I’ve discovered your site via your profile and will continue to delve ;-) — Wayfarer
Why is my existence as a person (and as an "Aristotelian substance") characterized by the factual properties that I have, instead of other factual properties?
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By the way, how would you even define the term “factual properties”?
This is my "Love Letter" to Speculative Materialism, especially as developed by Quentin Meillassoux (particularly in his first book, After Finitude
The origin of the preceding question is the following one: It just feels odd (to my mind) to have no good reason, other than brute facts, to explain why I have the factual properties that I have had since birth, especially since I didn’t choose to be born
all of the aforementioned brute facts are contingent
This OP seems littered with opaque concepts. Dare I say, I think you will find answers for yourself if you disambiguate your questions. — Bob Ross
If you want to be able to work through your thoughts here, then you will need to come up with a definition of what a “factual property” is itself. — Bob Ross
To me, it makes no sense (and no offense meant): a ‘factual property’ implies the possibility of a ‘non-factual property’. — Bob Ross
A non-factual property would just be any property, to wit, which a thing doesn’t have (viz., it is non-factually the case that a cat has laser beaming eyes); which would entail that a ‘factual property’ collapses into the normal meaning of a ‘property’ simpliciter…. — Bob Ross
If you are just asking why one is defined into terms of the properties they have instead of what they don’t, then it would be because, by my lights, a property that isn’t attributed to a thing cannot possibly be a part of its nature. E.g., that’s like saying a cat can be defined in terms of having laser beaming eyes while equally admitting that a cat does not need to have laser beaming eyes. — Bob Ross
The other point worth mentioning, is that the essence, nature, and Telos of a thing are separate concepts; and depending on which one you mean by “characterized by”, the answer differs. E.g., I am characterized by having extreme introvertness, but this is not a part of my essence nor my Telos but is a part of my nature. — Bob Ross
I haven’t read that book, so if I am just completely missing the point of the OP then just ignore me (: . — Bob Ross
A brute fact is any statement about reality which agrees appropriately with reality (with respect to what it references) and itself has no sufficient reason for why it is the case. — Bob Ross
This, this right here, is the deal breaker as far as I'm concerned
Meillassoux says exactly what you just said there: that The Principle of Sufficient Reason is, at the very least, not universally applicable.
But how could it not be? That just makes no sense to me
I believe in the PSR. How could I not? I mean, if the PSR is false (let's suppose, if only for the sake of argument, that it is) does that mean that a squid can suddenly pop up into existence in my living room?
I mean, if there is no reason for anything, then how could we rule out such insane-sounding possibilities?
Well, I wasn’t commenting on which version, if any, of the PSR one should accept: I was noting that in the OP you referenced a plethora of facts which are not brute as if they are. This leaves me a bit confused, because you are now defending some (presumably strong) version of the PSR when in the OP you said many things are just brute facts (such as where you were born or your race). — Bob Ross
Time travel had been discussed before in the forum, but I am not sure what the conclusion or agreement on the topic was. My thought was that time travel is not possible physically. Theoretically anything is possible, but to prove it is meaningful you must prove it physically. As far as I know, no time travel has ever been conducted physically since the beginning of the universe. Hence my idea on it was, inductively not a possible or feasible concept.Are scientists sure about this? Time travel is not possible at all? Like, imagine a professional physicist, who understands theoretical physics to the utmost degree. Time travel is not even possible at the level of theoretical physics? Maybe it would be technologically impossible to fabricate a time-travelling machine, but are we really sure that it's completely impossible from a theoretical standpoint? — Arcane Sandwich
If God existed, why do you believe he/she must intervene? It is like saying, if God existed, he must make everyone on the planet, lottery jackpot winner. Why shouldn't? - Well why should he/she? But the point is that God may not exist. Even if he existed, there is no reason why God has to intervene for anything. Especially if God existed, he would have known (being omniscient) time doesn't exist. He would know it would be a total waste of time even talking about time travel.But that's what I'm saying. God, if He (or She, or They, or whatever) existed, that (divine) Being could indeed intervene. Think of God like a character in a novel. God is not really a character, but the author. The author can do anything with the novel (with the fictional world that such a Being has authored). I don't believe in God though, I'm an atheist. But is there no scientific equivalent to the notion of "something", whatever that may be, that makes physical time-travel possible? — Arcane Sandwich
The PSR is not something that comes with every event in the universe. That is what the PSR believers seem to believe, which is a groundless and irrational belief.And that's the scary part. The Principle of Sufficient Reason, it seems to me (I could be wrong, though), is an "all or nothing" deal. Either it applies to everything, or it applies to nothing. It cannot apply to some things, but not to other things. That just makes no sense to me. It just strikes me as an odd thing to say, from an ontological POV.
Or can it (apply to some things but not to others)? What is your opinion on that? — Arcane Sandwich
What grounds the facts about, or of, my existence?
For example, why was I born in 1985? "Because your parents had sex the year before, mate. Are you stupid or what?" Ok, so that fact (that I was born in 1985) is metaphysically grounded by another fact?
Aristotle would say that my parents are my efficient cause. But efficient causes are contingent. And yet the fact that I was born in 1985 can't be changed.
So it's not contingent, it's necessary.
This is the opacity in your OP that I was alluding to earlier. — Bob Ross
To me, it makes no sense (and no offense meant): a ‘factual property’ implies the possibility of a ‘non-factual property’. — Bob Ross
You're quite right. It makes no sense to me either. — Arcane Sandwich
Theoretically anything is possible — Corvus
If God existed, why do you believe he/she must intervene? — Corvus
The PSR is not something that comes with every event in the universe. That is what the PSR believers seem to believe, which is a groundless and irrational belief. — Corvus
The squids might suddenly jump and dance in your room. You ask what is the reason for that? Under no circumstances would such an event happen unless someone secretly placed some lively caught squids from the sea, and placed them in your room while you were asleep. — Corvus
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