Admitting that you've lost is unamerican. — baker
"oh you just need thicker thin, there's something wrong you". No, there is not. You are simply an annoying dickhead and burden to enlightened, civil society the world would be much better off without. End of discussion. — Outlander
I'm unsure this is reasonable in any sense. — AmadeusD
a majority and largely agreed upon standard of social morals — Outlander
There is no 'largely agreed upon' standard for annoyance or loudness — AmadeusD
The problem is that you (plural) don't know whom you're up against and you don't even care to find out what it would take to win against them.
— baker
What would it take to win against them?
— Fooloso4
I'm not sure, but playing the good boy/good girl and expecting them to play good boys/good girls certainly isn't working. They just laugh it off. — baker
If a notion of goodness is such that the proposed goodness can be exploited, abused, punished, then this is not goodness at all.Here is a frame of good versus evil. Within this frame there is no possible answer. How can a fair player win against a cheater? They cannot, they will always lose to the aces up the sleeve. And the conclusion then is that the good guys have to cheat like the bad guys do. The old gold of "They go low, we go high" does not work, it is fool's gold. — unenlightened
If the goal of the game is to win, then why act in ways that hinder winning?How can a fair player win against a cheater?
Or else, they're onto something. What good is a goodneness that is weak?Therefore the first step towards a solution must be to reject the comfortable fantasy that "we" are the good guys, and "they" are the problem. Because clearly, for a large minority of America, it is the other way about. Clearly, for these people the game is already rigged so they always lose and they don't want to play by "our" rules any more.
American culture (like so many others) is internally inconsistent, containing mutually exclusive tenets.Admitting that you've lost is unamerican.
— baker
How so? What is particularly 'American' about never admitting you lost? Think about the absurdities it would lead to. No political candidate would ever concede an election. No professional athlete or sports team would ever concede they lost a game or match. No one would ever pay up on a bet, because they'd refuse to admit they lost the bet. Society couldn't function like this. What you are describing is being a sore loser or being deluded. — GRWelsh
What good is a goodneness that is weak? — baker
A man is born gentle and weak.
At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap.
At their death they are withered and dry.
Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death.
The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.
— Lao Tzu
American culture (like so many others) is internally inconsistent, containing mutually exclusive tenets. — baker
‘Republicans Nominate Secessionist Felon for President’. How’s that going to work out? I mean, I have no idea, but I can’t see Trump ‘cruising to victory’. — Wayfarer
I don't think it will matter. — Tom Storm
And actually I think that kind of shrug is just the kind of poisonous miasma that Trump emits. — Wayfarer
I may not matter to the rusted-on Trumpistas, but it will still be objectively critical. And as far as the politics goes - will it be a winning strategy? — Wayfarer
Don't you think that he's a real threat to society? Not trying to pick a fight, I'm just trying to understand people's attitudes. — Wayfarer
Don't you think that he's a real threat to society? — Wayfarer
if he goes too far — Christoffer
Everything he's done since coming down the escalator is a step too far. A thousand times already, it's been 'that's it, now he's done it, there's no coming back from this.' And yet, here we are. — Wayfarer
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