Seriously, anyone who is not as critical of Biden as they were of Trump may as well be a Trump supporter — StreetlightX
It was you who pointed out more strongly than anyone else that the focus on Trump for being Trump was misguided. You're making the same mistake with Biden (and Hillary) as far as I can see. — Baden
...so long as the upshot isn’t counter to the pragmatic choices that have to be made to keep the worse of them out of power. — Pfhorrest
I'm just not hearing anything of substance from you that you haven't said a million times before that is relevant to the specific place we're in right now and what can be done about it. — Baden
any shift left in the Dems will result in a concomitant shift right — Baden
I can't disagree more. First, worrying about a 'shift on the right' when the right in the US is basically Nazi apologetics is simply not a concern anyone should take seriously. North of the north pole is nothing. Second, the narrative being pushed - and which I'm afraid that you're uncritically reproducing - that left-wing policy and candidates have no political viability is quite frankly empirically false. — StreetlightX
The reality is that the structure of the electoral college and the Senate means any shift left in the Dems will result in a concomitant shift right that will blow up any hope of even milquetoast European style social democratic politics there in the foreseeable future. — Baden
Moreover, it is blindingly obvious to anyone that it was precisely the strategy to 'stick to the centre' that resulted in Biden's frankly dismal showing. The fact is that he barely eeked out a win over one of the most abhorrent political leaders in US electoral history, and did so only on account - as you noted - that he wasn't Trump. — StreetlightX
I really, honest-to-ever-loving-God, in all sincerity, mean it when I say - anyone who is not as critical of Biden as they were of Trump may as well be a Trump supporter. — StreetlightX
... systemic conservative bias in the US and the huge disadvantage to the left that presents, ... [?] what the left can do tactically in hostile political circumstances to both gain some foothold in terms of policy and stave off another Trumpist-style administration. [/?] — Baden
Time for a smarter approach. — Baden
I was critical of Biden before and now that's he poised to continue doing the very things I'd criticized him before on, I'm supposed to get a new line because, what, it's very tiring for you? — StreetlightX
As for this much vaunted 'smarter approach' - which boils down to what? Giving the status quo a chance? The poor thing, it's only been at work for the last 5 decades, I'm sure it really needs it - it's the same ineffectual gently-gently nothingness that got the US to where it is now. — StreetlightX
It's not about giving him a pass, it's about using him insofar as it's possible in a strategic way. — Baden
:100: :clap:Biden is President-elect and all anyone on the left should care about now is what they can get him to do for the left. Period. I couldn't give two fucks whether he's evil or not at this point, I want to make it politically expedient for him to do what serves the interests of the politics I support. — Baden
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