• discoii
    196
    So, Hillary won everything today in the Democratic primaries. Essentially, the game is over for Bernie, even though numerically it is not, most people can pretty much say that he has next to no chance of winning. The same goes for the Republican side: Trump won a landslide again today, Cruz won nothing, and Kasich won only his home state of Ohio. Rubio, of course, dropped out.

    Hillary Clinton is a reptilian shapeshifter, this much is not disputable. The proof is that if you look closely when she laughs, you can see her crocodile like features. Despite this, she also represents the American schizophrenic ideology: black people and older white people overwhelmingly support her. This is quite odd, for many reasons. First, she extended the cradle-to-prison pipeline. She's "tough on crime". She's sat on the board of corporations like Walmart, institutions which are no different from extended versions of slave plantations. And her opponent was Bernie Sanders, a guy who was actually part of the correct side of history since he was 16 years old: he was part of both the anti-war and anti-racism movements when he was younger, at union picket lines, at the anti-segregation protests, getting arrested multiple times. Keep in mind, Hillary likes to cite her involvement in organizing Yale, but at the same time she was giving Henry Kissinger a nice long blowjob. No one who actually cares about any sort of egalitarianism can logically believe Hillary is a symbol of equality.

    I don't have to say much about Trump, except that he is probably one of the first true modern versions of a American Fascist. American fascism is this "I'm a winner" dick waving contest, it is push to bomb, bomb, bomb, round-them-up-and-deport racism, like a bunch of numbskull idiot degenerates with too much wealth and power.

    I'd like to open up the floor for discussion now, as I go burn some plastic to help the world end faster.
  • Pierre-Normand
    1.6k
    You may be overly pessimistic. So long as Vermin Supreme still is in the race, there is hope for America.
  • Baden
    11k
    I wouldn't worry about Trump, the Republocrat party has chosen Hilary as its nominee. Do keep worrying about Hilary though. She will be horrible. For America and for the world..
  • Bitter Crank
    8.9k
    A misinformed soul praised Trump in a New York Times response column for 'speaking for the dispossessed and excluded'. Sanders is the only one who could be under any suspicion of doing that, and while his showing is remarkably strong for somebody tagged with "socialist", he wouldn't be able to accomplish anything for anybody without a disciplined leftish party in power which he wouldn't have. I like Sanders but he is an outlier.

    Trump is cleverly sampling the real angst of the dispossessed and excluded, but he doesn't speak for them, won't serve their interests, can't represent them, and will do them no good. Ditto for Clinton, Katich, Rubio, Cruz, et al. Nobody with a chance of getting to the apex of American power is going to waste time on the dispossessed and excluded. 60% - 80% of the population don't figure into the conduits of power except as electoral tools.

    But... that's what oligarchy is all about: a very small class of extraordinary wealth and power ruling over a very large class of powerless, working people and the flat out broke.

    Sanders is no Don Quixote. He's not tilting against windmills. He represents and speaks for a sizable minority of people who might be kind of marginal but aren't dispossessed and excluded -- yet, anyway. But he doesn't have a movement behind him -- he just has the the most liberal of Democrats behind him, and even the most liberal Democrats have way too much baggage to constitute any sort of radical movement.

    Hillary Billary clearly can be classified as Crocodilian and will eat her supporters at her leisure.
  • Bitter Crank
    8.9k
    What Sanders would have had to have done 30 years ago is begin to build an independent left-liberal party in New England, the Midwest, and the West Coast. Vermont is a nice place, but it isn't big enough. If he (or some other Red Cross Knight) had been able to form such a movement, and he had this party at his back now, with a solid caucus in both houses of Congress he'd be a real contender.

    Right, Bernie, you could have been a contender. But you don't have disciplined political machinery behind you.
  • photographer
    67
    Discipline? Bernie's troops are the Occupy crowd, they suffer from a kind of affluenza. Americans aren't ready for real progressivism, let alone socialism. But there's a world of difference between Hillary and a neo-fascist buffoon like Trump.
  • Baden
    11k
    Hillary hate is misogyny, pure and simplephotographer

    Rubbish. Many Elizabeth Warren supporters hate Hillary as much as Bernie supporters do. And Hillary haters tend to hate Bill as much as they hate Hillary. Ideally I'd support Jill Stein rather than any Democrat and I've said this on these boards. So would many others. Last time I looked she was a woman. The worst thing about your comment though is the idea that because candidate X is from category A, they are beyond criticism. This is a very underhand way of trying to defend the indefensible by smearing its critics.
  • Baden
    11k
    Plus the fact that much of Bernie's support comes from young women who would presumably love to see a female president but cannot stand the only option they are being offered.

    And haven't even mentioned @ArguingWAristotleTiff who will be surprised to learn she's a woman hater.
  • photographer
    67
    That's just risible Baden. Let's review Jill Stein's electoral record:
    "She received 456,169 votes for 0.36% in the election,[45] making her the most successful female presidential candidate in U.S. history.[46] Stein received over 1% of the popular vote in three states: 1.3% in Maine, 1.1% in Oregon, and 1.0% in Alaska." Okay, let's not.

    As for Tiff, she gets her marching orders from the NRA.
  • Moliere
    1.8k
    I was bummed, too.

    Even expecting the outcome I was bummed.

    I am happy that Bernie gave Hillary some good, solid competition. But I doubt her campaign promises.


    There are still local elections to look at.
  • photographer
    67
    Running on single payer health care might be the only strategy that could end with Trump in the White House. I find it hard to believe that Hillary could or would let down - and even damage - the left to the extent that Obama did.
  • Moliere
    1.8k
    I expect more of the same from her administration -- neoliberalism is preferable to fascism, but it's not something to get excited about.
  • photographer
    67
    Maybe Bernie is the herald of a generational change in your politics. I certainly hope so. I'm haunted by the possibility of history repeating itself as farce. The last time we elected a Trudeau in Canada, you got Nixon.
  • darthbarracuda
    3.1k
    I don't think Bernie thought that he would get this far. As far as he is concerned, I think his ultimate goal has already been met: change. Hillary had to change the way she presented herself. Whether or not Bernie becomes president (which is near to none), he's already left a legacy that will last longer than a four year term in office
  • discoii
    196
    Nixon is basically the male Hillary.
  • WhiskeyWhiskers
    151
    Hillary hate is misogyny, pure and simplephotographer

    This is equivalent to, "if you hate Hillary, then you're a misogynist". As if there can be no other reason for it. How quickly basic logic is forgotten once (identity) politics enters the discussion.
  • Baden
    11k
    I mentioned Jill Stein to show why the charge of misogyny in my case was absurd. You've ignored the rest of the post including the Elizabeth Warren angle. There will always be some misogyny/racism involved in why minority candidates are hated but to say it's misogyny "pure and simple" here is obviously wrong as @WhiskeyWhiskers points out. Hillary doesn't get a pass on being a liar, corporate shill and lover of war criminals because she's a woman. Arguably, her husband is worse (in my view at least) but he's not running for office this time.
  • photographer
    67
    No doubt your rationalizations are evidence of something. But even if I stated "The only possible reason to hate Hillary Clinton is misogyny." the statement would be false, not illogical. But don't let the truth get in your way...
  • Marchesk
    3.9k
    I find it hard to believe that Hillary could or would let down - and even damage - the left to the extent that Obama did.photographer

    LOL. What makes a Clinton that much different than Obama? Please.

    And
    Hillary hate is misogyny, pure and simple:photographer

    Or maybe some people just don't like here as a presidential candidate. There's no such thing as pure and simple when it comes to human motives.
  • Baden
    11k
    I think you know that @WhiskeyWhiskers wasn't suggesting the statement was illogical. He was suggesting that because of it's logical structure the implication is obviously false. It's as false as saying if you don't like Ted Cruz you must be racist (and I would support Hillary before Ted Cruz).

    Incidentally, I had earlier flirted with the idea that Trump might be a better choice for president than other Republicans and also than Hillary. This is because a) He seemed to be for socialized medicine b) He said he wasn't going to touch social security c) He was willing to be sensible in his remarks on planned parenthood d) He called out Bush over the Iraq war and e) He expressed some level of neutrality over the Israel /Palestinian conflict. Considering his gradual descent into racism and fascism though, I would take that back in the case of Hillary and Kasich. As for Cruz, his homophobia is no better than Trump's fascism in my book.
  • photographer
    67
    But obviously then I don't (and never did) hold that proposition to be true. And it's quite clear to me that Tiff has other "reasons" for hating Hillary. But then again, I'm not sure we need to take reasons for hatred at face value. Nor is the application of logic to the notion that Hillary is reptilian a trivial matter.

    I nearly fell into the same trap with Trump, but the Muslim ban was already sufficient for me. And the fact that he was seeking the Republican nomination.
  • Baden
    11k
    I nearly fell into the same trap with Trump, but the Muslim ban was already sufficient for me. And the fact that he was seeking the Republican nomination.photographer

    The signs were indeed there.

    LOL #bernvictims TOLD, can't stump TrumpThe Great Whatever

    Yay, schadenfreude! Got anything else?
  • Baden
    11k
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    I guess they have a point. And they will milk it.

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-03/04/c_135156215.htm
  • Baden
    11k
    http://www.unz.com/jman/the-donald-trump-phenomenon-part-1-the-american-nations/

    Worth a gander if you're interested in the demographics of Trumpistas..
  • Ciceronianus the White
    1.3k
    We here in God's favorite country are busy proving that Mencken was right about our version of democracy. The rogues gallery of this crop of presidential aspirants provides us with no reasonable option, and that's largely our fault. But I think I'd ultimately vote to put the venal, self-regarding, pandering Clintons back into the White House in the hope that we would avoid electing the purblind, infantile Trump or the fanatically ignorant liar, Cruz.
  • Bitter Crank
    8.9k
    I LOVE the culture-data on maps which this site features. Some of these appeared in the New York Times (thus having the imprimatur of the NYC intelligentsia). Thanks for the link.

    Of course, one should have a large block of salt to lick as one peruses the material.
  • Shawn
    10.8k
    I don't think people realize how bad democracy in America is. We're essentially having dynastic rulers come about, think Bush, Clinton?

    As far as Bernie. He already met his goal. I personally don't think he even wants to win the presidency, that would actually be detrimental to his goal of creating a movement. He already has forced Clinton's hand to commit herself to more leftist policies. Clinton is no joke, though; but, is obviously a lesser evil than Trump.
  • Baden
    11k
    Yeah, kind of mind candy there, isn't it?
  • Bitter Crank
    8.9k
    Democracy is a tool laying there waiting to be used. We can pick it up and use it, and then if we don't want dynasties, we won't have them.

    It requires effort on the part of many. Not horribly strenuous effort, but you know, doing stuff. Like... voting; donating to campaigns (your labor or cash); studying the issues -- finding out what is true and what is bullshit; learning how to argue your case well; participating in process. Like Don Draper says, "IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT IS BEING SAID, CHANGE THE CONVERSATION."
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