Tell that to the thousands of families of Kurds, to whom the US has broken their promises (granted thanks to their fighting alongside US forces to eliminate ISIS), and will now die. — StreetlightX
What do you mean by a "constitutional crisis"? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
I am looking to support a responsible way out. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
I think we are witnessing the strength of our governing, living Constitution. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
. I am looking to support a responsible way out. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
I am glad he is backing down from the world scene as well I just wonder how much chaos will come with us pulling back. If Turkey is any example I am afraid of who or what ideology will fill the — ArguingWAristotleTiff
The only real difference to me is that Trump speaks with no filter, which admittedly has its faults but at least I know he is being honest — ArguingWAristotleTiff
We shouldn’t conflate the PKK, a terrorist organization , with the Kurds, an ethnic group. Turkey’s enemy in this operation is former, not the latter. — NOS4A2
So think about it from the other side. There was a separatist uprising for the past few years in southern Turkey along the Syrian border and beyond. — NOS4A2
If we are to believe Pompeo, American soldiers were in danger. — NOS4A2
Trump gave no green light or go ahead to Turkey, only to pull American soldiers out of the area. — NOS4A2
Considering this, Leaving American soldiers in the area to help Kurdish separatists fight off a Turkish invasion would be a horrible mistake. — NOS4A2
Not sure how to interpret this. You realize that he’s not what you’d call an honest man, don’t you? — praxis
The White House made a decision yesterday: They issued an extended letter talking about this process that the House is engaged in, making clear that the White House's view is that this is not a legitimate impeachment proceeding,
It comes as no surprise that the news headline follows the same narrative that has been asserted since President Trump won the 2016 election. I don't anticipate that changing, not until the next election in 2020.It’s a front page story on practically every journal of record today. The crisis is that the President has declared that he will not recognize the constitutionally-mandated investigation that is being carried out in response to the ‘whistleblower’ account of his alleged criminal acts. He is basically saying the Congress has no authority to conduct the investigation. Even Nixon didn’t do that, and what Trump is accused of is much worse than what Nixon resigned over. So it’s an impasse - a crisis. He’s essentially declaring himself above the law. — Wayfarer
Don't ride on Maw's coattails, especially when his response is without suggesting solutions.What Maw said. — StreetlightX
What this isn't a 'suffering contest'. That implies some kind of game. This isn't a game. People. Will. Die. Your allies will die. Don't obfuscate that with gaming metaphors to make yourself feel better. — StreetlightX
I dont think it will be much worse than it has been. — frank
I realize he is no Angel but not an "honest" man? Compared to whom?Not sure how to interpret this. You realize that he’s not what you’d call an honest man, don’t you? — praxis
You're not that naïve, so I guess you're now also spreading propaganda for Erdogan? I would have guessed you'd be against someone with an Islamist agenda.
The conflict between the Turkish central government and the Kurds is older than "a few years". And it was Erdogan's government that escalated it for political gain (it worked, too).
What do you mean "help"? The soldiers only prevented the Turkish military from shelling the area due to the danger of friendly fire. They were entirely a blocking force, not intended to fight anyone.
It is a move not without concern. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
What is the solution? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
I trust very little of either man.Of course this requires some trust in politifact, which you may not have. — praxis
Are we still talking about a broader isolationism, or Turkey's problem with its border? — frank
To a problem wholly precipitated by a weak, ignorant, president — StreetlightX
Turkeys problem with it's border is well known amongst its residents, including members here in the forum and I wonder why they are not being looked to for help the way the USA has been.
I do wonder what the word on the street is there about the USA pulling back. Is it simply to watch and critique without offering to take the lead? — ArguingWAristotleTiff
an attempt to end a war. — ArguingWAristotleTiff
If I was the commander in chief i would simply not move forward with a decision that would allow thousands of our allies to die — Maw
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