• Wallows
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    I am severely inadequate in terms of reading Kant's Critique of Pure Reason. It's a book that fascinates me, and I think will be even more appreciated in the future, when space-time is shown to be two different entities rather than one, perhaps, according to Quantum Dynamics.

    I hope someone could start a reading group on Kant's monumental work. I have my edition ready; but, don't dare to want to lead a reading group on it.

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    @Moliere would you be willing to help us out? I know you've started a reading group before on the work by Kant. Perhaps you could help us out here and import your knowledge on these forums?
  • tim wood
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    What do you mean by "reading"? If you read it in bite sized chunks, giving your self plenty of time to get through it, you'll do just fine. Of course parts of it you will have to read more than once or twice.

    Before starting, research what translations are best. A bad one is worse than useless.

    And if you read some relatively easy brief summaries of Kant's thinking, they'll stand as useful guides that can help you get through. But no one can read it for you; that you have to do for yourself.

    Added benefit: reading Kant is like lifting weights. After a while, when you return to you regular reading, you'll be astonished at how much easier that is.
  • Wallows
    9.6k
    What do you mean by "reading"? If you read it in bite sized chunks, giving your self plenty of time to get through it, you'll do just fine. Of course parts of it you will have to read more than once or twice.tim wood

    I mean to imply that we start a reading group on Kant's monumental work with some companion in mind. It was a Copernican revolution in philosophy, according to Kant himself.

    I don't know how many times I'd need to read the work to get a good grasp on it. Perhaps, ten (?) times? Have you read it?

    Before starting, research what translations are best. A bad one is worse than useless.tim wood

    I'm using the Britannica's edition of Kant. Here's all the info on the subject:

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  • Jamesk
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    Apparently it is just as hard in German. He sent the manuscript to his best friend who begged him to be allowed to stop reading it. By the first half the poor fellow was quite sure he was going mad.

    John Searle has some great lectures on Kant as does Dan Brown, but I won't be attempting the book any time soon.
  • Wallows
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    He sent the manuscript to his best friend who begged him to be allowed to stop reading it. By the first half the poor fellow was quite sure he was going mad.Jamesk

    *laughs*
  • tim wood
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    I'm using the Britannica's edition of Kant. Here's all the info on the subject:Wallows

    I can't tell you if those meet current criteria. Try reviews on Amazon. The Critique of Pure Reason should have two prefaces. They should be readable and you should get a lot out of them - probably even enjoy them. And no, you do not have to read Kant ten times.

    And do not be put off by folks who suggest that reading Kant will kill you. It won't. You will have to pay attention, is all. (The Critiques of Practical Reason and Judgment can be set aside until you've got through Pure Reason.)
  • Wallows
    9.6k
    I can't tell you if those meet current criteria. Try reviews on Amazon. The Critique of Pure Reason should have two prefaces. They should be readable and you should get a lot out of them - probably even enjoy them. And no, you do not have to read Kant ten times.tim wood

    Do you want to be the leader of the reading group on Kant's Critique of Pure Reason? I'd happily oblige to your directionality on the issue.
  • StreetlightX
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    That's not a copy of the CPR. That's a collection of abridged readings from different works of Kant. The CPR alone is about 800 or so pages long (from the top of my head).
  • Wallows
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    That's not a copy of the CPR. That a collection of abridged readings from different works of Kant. The CPR alone is about 800 or so pages long (from the top of my head).StreetlightX

    Oh, okay. Sorry to misinform otherwise. I'm sure a PDF is available online somewhere. I go search for one, now.

    Do you want to assist us with this reading group?
  • Wallows
    9.6k
    Here's what I have found:

    http://strangebeautiful.com/other-texts/kant-first-critique-cambridge.pdf

    Translation by PAUL GUYER University of Pennsylvania ALLEN W. WOOD Yale University.

    And a second one:

    http://files.libertyfund.org/files/1442/0330_Bk.pdf

    Translation by: F. MAX MULLER
  • tim wood
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    There are lots of things in this world that cannot be taught, only learned. Leaders and guides can help, but in the case of reading Kant, not-so-much. Kant plus an Idiot's Guide..., or a 90 minute Intro., suffice for reading. After you've read, then there's really a lot of secondary literature if you're interested. Like learning a language, you really just have to get into it yourself.
  • tim wood
    3.4k
    And get a decent copy. A cheap copy will fall apart fairly soon, and you do not want that. If you're going to read Kant, you're sure to want to make marginal notes - you want that book to last! Try Amazon for used copies.
  • Wallows
    9.6k
    Here's a useful commentary.
  • StreetlightX
    4.4k
    Not that I've compared them all, but I love Kemp Smith's translation, which, while supposedly less strictly faithful to the letter of the CPR, has a lovely fluidity to it, moreso at least than Guyer and Woods' one.

    Also - again, not that I've read them all - but I really enjoyed Adorno's lecture series on the CPR, which one can find in published form as an accompanying text.
  • Moliere
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    Eh, at the moment I just don't have that kind of time/energy to put into leading a group. But I'd probably read along with the thread. There are others here too that'd be able to put in a good word -- I know @jamalrob and @casalisbury both have done some deep Kant reading, and I'm certain they aren't the only ones. He's kinda a big figure ;).

    I know that I prefer the Pluhar translation for its consistency and readability. But potaytoe potahtoe -- I don't know if it really matters all that much.

    But if you want the group I'd suggest just starting up and leading it. It doesn't take any special knowledge -- just energy, dedication, and a willingness to be wrong.
  • Terrapin Station
    13.8k
    Shouldn't we maybe do less than 20 books at a time?
  • John Doe
    242
    If you really want to understand what Kant is on about in the CPR the best way to study the work, in my experience, is to put the audiobook version on your phone and listen to it at 2.5 speed while you do your groceries.
  • Baden
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    @Wallows You seem to be proliferating reading groups without wanting to do much hard work on them. I'd suggest no-one propose a text for a reading group unless they're willing to lead it. That way, more of them might be more productive.
  • Wallows
    9.6k
    You seem to be proliferating reading groups without wanting to do much hard work on them.Baden

    I progress at a slow pace. I'm a slug when it comes to reading.
  • Baden
    8.9k


    That's fair enough. I don't devour books the way some others here do either. All I'm saying is if that's the case maybe be a bit more conservative in your involvement in these things.
  • Wallows
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    All I'm saying is if that's the case maybe be a bit more conservative in your involvement in these things.Baden

    Ok, I'll refrain from starting new group readings. I'm awash in Schopenhauer's WWAR and others as it already stands.
  • Terrapin Station
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    I progress at a slow pace. I'm a slug when it comes to reading.Wallows

    Good reason to start 20 different reading groups at the same time.
  • Wallows
    9.6k
    Good reason to start 20 different reading groups at the same time.Terrapin Station

    I can't help it. Curiosity, you know?

    I didn't want to lead this reading group; but, follow it.
  • Terrapin Station
    13.8k


    Sure, but why not just systematically tackle one thing at a time? I don't know how many pages you can feasibly do in a day, but even if it's just 5, say, you'd get through all of Philosophical Investigations in less than a month, and then all of the World as Will and Representation in less than two months . . . you could tackle 6-8 of the major philosophy texts per year at least. If you could do 10 pages per day, you could double that. You just would need to make a commitment to sit down every day and read however many pages, concentrating on one thing at a time until you finish it.
  • Wallows
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    You just would need to make a commitment to sit down every day and read however many pages, concentrating on one thing at a time until you finish it.Terrapin Station

    Well, to my case, the Naming and Necessity reading group is doing well with the grace of Banno. Schopenhauer is a difficult beast to tackle so, I'm doing slowly on that. The Philosophical Investigations thread is doing alright, though quite haphazardous. What am I doing wrong here?
  • Jamesk
    317
    How about we jazz things up with some more light reading, what about Russell 'On denoting", here is some serious competition for Emmanuel!
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