• Benkei
    7.8k
    Trump started the zero-tolerance policy. That means adults go to jail for breaking the laws of the country. The children were cared for by U.S. Customs and Border Protection in facilities built during the Obama administration, while their “parents” served their time and awaited processing. Children cannot be held in prison. If parents don’t want to be separated from their children they should not commit crimes.NOS4A2

    Expulsion from the USA could be perfectly done by Ice, as it had been doing, without separation. The court system was also overloaded because the change in policy was that stupid.

    And if parents don't want to be separated from kids they indeed shouldn't commit crimes. Except when they get out of jail, they can be reunited without a problem with their kids. Where it concerns immigrants, apparently this will take up to 2 years to have everyone reunited. As I said, the crime was not having a process for that.
  • Maw
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    Beyond the fact that undocument immigration is a victimless crime that simply doesn't warrant family separation (which does create victims), a percentage of those separated are asylum seekers who announced themselves at border points, which is completely legal.

    Of course, no conversation around immigration is complete without acknowledging that the majority of people coming to America from the southern border are escaping from states that dissolved due to US involvement. However, those pushing for these draconian policies are just interested in cruelty towards immigrants of color, and will not be persuaded by any other means
  • Wayfarer
    22.8k
    there's been chat about the fact that up until now, Trump hasn't had a 'real' foreign policy crisis to deal with. Well, I think that's changed. The drone strike on two of the world's largest oil refineries might yet be a 'black swan event', an unpredictable occurrence with enormous knock-on effects.

    It was not immediately clear how badly the facilities were damaged, but shutting them down for more than a few days would affect the global oil supply. Analysts who closely follow the Saudi oil industry said they were hearing that the impact would not be severe — perhaps only a few days’ outage, which the Saudis could cover.

    “Crude prices will still rise a bit, but apparently the world economy dodged a bullet,” said Robert McNally, the president of Rapidan Energy Group, a Washington-based market research firm.
    — NY Times

    Saying that the world economy 'dodged a bullet' is (1) scary and (2) uncertain, because it is not yet clear how bad the damage is and what the consequences will be, but it implies that they could well be global. And it's surely a high-stakes game. You have fanatical Houthis, backed by fanatical Iranians, playing chicken with the world oil supply, with Stable Genius presiding in the US and allied in this case to the Saudis. At least he sacked Bolton - but heaven knows what might happen next. It's a tinderbox, and there's people playing with matches.
  • NOS4A2
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    Oh my fucking god

    Looks like they left out a massive detail.

    Editors’ Note: Sept. 15, 2019
    An earlier version of this article, which was adapted from a forthcoming book, did not include one element of the book's account regarding an assertion by a Yale classmate that friends of Brett Kavanaugh pushed his penis into the hand of a female student at a drunken dorm party. The book reports that the female student declined to be interviewed and friends say that she does not recall the incident. That information has been added to the article.

    Better late than never, I suppose. The article was adapted from a book quoting a Clinton lawyer. Of course Dems have already cited the article as justification for impeachment. But they want to impeach him for an alleged incident the supposed victim does not even recall.
  • Maw
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    oh so you're just going to ignore the 15 people who may have corroborating information regarding Ramirez, the FBI agents who found her credible, and 7 people who heard about the incident before Kavanaugh was a federal judge, which includes Ramirez's mother and two Yale students who heard of the event days after it occurred?
  • NOS4A2
    9.3k


    oh so you're just going to ignore the 15 people who may have corroborating information regarding Ramirez, the FBI agents who found her credible, and 7 people who heard about the incident before Kavanaugh was a federal judge, which includes Ramirez's mother and two Yale students who heard of the event days after it occurred?

    Yes. As I recall, Ramirez admitted that she doesn't remember the details from the night in question and can't be sure it was Kavanaugh who exposed himself to her. But her coterie and mother do remember the details and perpetrator? And given that Blasey-Ford’s lawyer recently came out saying her client was politically motivated, I am wholly sceptical of every single one of those claims.
  • Maw
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    The actual quote from her lawyer is that Kavanaugh's political/judicial stances was part of what motivated her to come forward. Not the sole reason. Which of course makes sense if someone who sexual assaulted you is now going to enshrine laws that potentially affect millions of women.

    Ramirez has said that she is confident in her recollections that it was Kavanaugh, and if over a dozen people can corroborate the story then there should be a renewed and serious ininvestigation.
  • NOS4A2
    9.3k


    The actual quote from her lawyer is that Kavanaugh's political/judicial stances was part of what motivated her to come forward. Not the sole reason. Which of course makes sense if someone who sexual assaulted you is now going to enshrine laws that potentially affect millions of women.

    Ramirez has said that she is confident in her recollections that it was Kavanaugh, and if over a dozen people can corroborate the story then there should be a renewed and serious ininvestigation.

    It makes sense that she wanted to smear Justice Kavanaugh because she disagreed with his politics.

    The investigation into Ramirez already occurred. It’s over.
  • Michael
    15.8k
    The investigation into Ramirez already occurred. It’s over.NOS4A2

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/book-reveals-allegations-brett-kavanaugh-fbis-handling-probe/story?id=65625607

    The book authors now claim that FBI investigation wasn’t sufficiently thorough, saying that Ramirez’s legal team gave the FBI a list of at least 25 individuals who they said might have been able to confirm her allegations, but that none of them were interviewed as part of the bureau’s supplemental investigation, even after some of them tried to contract the FBI on their own accord. The Times also reports that two FBI agents interviewed Ramirez and said that they found her "credible," but that the Senate "had imposed strict limits on the investigation."
  • NOS4A2
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    All for the alleged crime of pulling one’s dick out at a frat party 30 years ago. Sorry, it doesn’t warrant FBI investigation, let alone a second one.
  • Michael
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    All for the alleged crime of pulling one’s dick out at a frat party 30 years ago.NOS4A2

    Ramirez told the New Yorker that during a dorm party sometime in the 1983-1984 academic year, Kavanaugh "thrust his penis in her face" causing her "to touch it without her consent."

    Bit more than just pulling it out. And the point is that the first investigation was hardly an investigation at all.
  • NOS4A2
    9.3k


    Right, the domestic security and intelligence agency of the US should investigate allegations of sexual assaults between teenagers over 30 years ago. The investigation was limited in scope for a reason: the FBI had better things to do.
  • Maw
    2.7k
    All for the alleged crime of pulling one’s dick out at a frat party 30 years ago. Sorry, it doesn’t warrant FBI investigation, let alone a second oneNOS4A2

    This is becoming a typical response from conservatives. They argue that it didn't happen, but if it did it's not actually a big deal.

    Brett Kavanaugh is in one of the most powerful public positions in the country in a lifetime service no less, so yeah it's actually pretty important to do a thorough investigation.
  • NOS4A2
    9.3k


    I’m not a conservative.

    There are reasons why we have statutes of limitations. The probe and the smearing were unjust enough.
  • HarryBalsagna
    8
    Bad news for any rational person that wishes Trump out of power after the next election in my opinion:

    Even with a disaffected right wing challenger who runs as 3rd party, the votes that person siphons off (which is always the only efficacy of 3rd parties), will not be enough.. There is no candidate on the other side that will unite a constituency... There is no Preparation H for the butthurt... Even the basic notion of getting rid of Trump will not be enough to quell these political hemorrhoids...
  • Maw
    2.7k
    I’m not a conservativeNOS4A2

    Ok a right-wing dickhead then, whenever floats your boat. This isn't about investigating as a crime, it's about whether or not he's fit to serve the position he currently holds, because of things he did as a young man in the past and the lies he told in the present.
  • Michael
    15.8k
    Right, the domestic security and intelligence agency of the US should investigate allegations of sexual assaults between teenagers over 30 years ago.NOS4A2

    It’s also responsible for investigating federal crimes.

    The investigation was limited in scope for a reason: the FBI had better things to do.NOS4A2

    I suspect it was limited in scope because the Republicans who control a majority didn’t want Kavanaugh’s appointment to be put in jealousy, regardless of his guilt or innocence.


    The probe and the smearing were unjust enough.NOS4A2

    It’s neither a smear nor unjust if he’s guilty. A proper investigation would have cleared it up one way or the other.
  • NOS4A2
    9.3k


    Ok a right-wing dickhead then, whenever floats your boat. This isn't about investigating as a crime, it's about whether or not he's fit to serve the position he currently holds, because of things he did as a young man in the past and the lies he told in the present.

    Is that the job of the FBI?
  • NOS4A2
    9.3k


    It’s neither a smear nor unjust if he’s guilty. A proper investigation would have cleared it up one way or the other.

    The timing indicates that it is a smear.
  • frank
    16k
    For those who missed it: though NOS4A2 claims to have been born in the US, he admits to now living outside the US.

    He's just a fun little troll.
  • Maw
    2.7k
    Is that the job of the FBI?NOS4A2

    It's the job of an independent federal agency
  • Maw
    2.7k
    He's just a fun little troll.frank

    He's also just stupid
  • frank
    16k
    He's a Agustino clone. It may actually be Agustino. Who knows?
  • NOS4A2
    9.3k


    It's the job of an independent federal agency

    But not the FBI.
  • NOS4A2
    9.3k


    For those who missed it: though NOS4A2 claims to have been born in the US, he admits to now living outside the US.

    And?
  • NOS4A2
    9.3k


    He's also just stupid.

    I’m surprised you didn’t quote some article to pad your lack of original thought.
  • frank
    16k
    And?NOS4A2

    You give the impression that you're in here with us struggling to make sense of what's happening. You're not. You're just having fun.
  • NOS4A2
    9.3k


    You give the impression that you're in here with us struggling to make sense of what's happening. You're not. You're just having fun.

    I am having fun. I love talking about this stuff.

    I’ve seen Aussies and Brits giving their two cents. Do you disregard their arguments on the same basis?
  • Michael
    15.8k
    For those who missed it: though NOS4A2 claims to have been born in the US, he admits to now living outside the US.

    He's just a fun little troll.
    frank

    I don't understand trolls. They know what they're saying is bullshit. So they enjoy their opponents correctly calling them out on the rubbish they say? It's bizarre.

    Although FYI, plenty of people were born in the US but don't live there anymore. Did you mean to say something else?
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