• MikeL
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    Well thanks Rich, but I'm not in the field. I did a couple of degrees in biological and molecular science and lectured for a few years, but then argued with the wrong person. I've always had the passion for it though.
  • Rich
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    Great philosophers are foremost curious, resorceful, and creative.
  • MikeL
    638
    Absolutely. Its the puzzle and debate and bouncing of ideas that's exciting.
  • Rich
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    That's it. It's detective work. The practical effects for yourself and your loved ones are enormous. It's called creative evolution.
  • BlueBanana
    367
    Because there's no asolute fitness, it always depends on the environment, and other beings are part of that. When no wombats exist, only kangaroos do, wombat is the fittest being, and vice versa, because of the lack of competition.
  • Rich
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    of course there is no such thing as absolute fitness. There are as many ways for life to adapt as a creative mind allows. The fitness theory quickly morphs into a creative evolution theory once one is forced to confront what is actually happening. In educational institutions there is no arguing over the text.
  • MikeL
    638
    That's it. It's detective work. The practical effects for yourself and your loved ones are enormous. It's called creative evolution.Rich

    Ha ha, very good.
  • MikeL
    638
    But as Creative Evolutionists say, Blue Banana, the environment is just the canvas that allows the expression of the creativity to be seen. It must be expressed against something.
  • Rich
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    It is unfortunate, but creativity is suppressed both inside and outside of the educational system. Industry wants lemmings and the educational system prepares students to be as such, even in the arts. However, for those who develop their creative spirit, there are many rewards.
  • BlueBanana
    367
    Let's take two premises:
    -Different beings have different probabilities of surviving and successfully reproducing.
    -Offspring of any being at least partially inherits the traits of its parent(s).
    -Definition: fitness means having traits that make it more likely for a being to survive and produce offspring.
    From these we can directly deduct the survival of the fittest, unless we have very different definitions of that theory.
  • BlueBanana
    367
    I have creativity but it doesn't mean I buy a canvas to utilize that creativity, and the existence of canvas doesn't imply expressions of creativity either, and neither does the canvas having something on it.
  • MikeL
    638
    You're not wrong, ever moreso these days. Creativity is being trampled by bureacracy, proven documented accountability, action plans, centralised control of the curriculum and Scope and Sequences as well as common agreement through meetings on the way things should be taught where the one with the most votes wins. - that of course for the teachers. The students that are coming out of the sausage factories though, don't look like sausages and nobody is sure why...
  • MikeL
    638
    You are writing on your canvas right now, Blue Banana. It's a lovely picture of the defence of an antiquated evolutionary system :) .
  • BlueBanana
    367
    I agree on that but it doesn't prove I'm expressing all the creativity I could. As for the discussion on creativity in our societies, I partially agree, but must simultaneously note that it's a gross generalization.
  • MikeL
    638
    Hence the canvas.
  • MikeL
    638
    The canvas is functioning like an effective filter for all the possible creative combinations you could be expressing right now. Of course, being the complex organism you are, you might be also expressing your creativity in a variety of other areas simultaneously, such as your clothing, arrangement of the room, coffee you are drinking etc.
  • Rich
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    Imbuing genes with all kinds of human characteristics such surviving, reproducing, fittest, traits, etc. simply shifts the actions of the mind to gene. It doesn't explain anything. It is still the mind that is reacting to changes in the environment and adapting as best as it can.

    The mind does indeed exist at all levels of life in a single body, e.g. cells, bacteria, viruses, neurons, etc. and they work in together to adapt. This is why I practice music, Tai Chi, Qigong, sports, etc. It trains my body to work in unity so it can adapt. In sports, it makes one a better player. In health it makes one more capable to resist and to heal.
  • MikeL
    638
    From these we can directly deduct the survival of the fittest, unless we have very different definitions of that theory.BlueBanana

    So, to come back to Divergent Evolution, should the allele diversity in the population increase rapidly in the population or become conservative to conserve those successful genes?
  • Rich
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    I agree on that but it doesn't prove I'm expressing all the creativity I could.BlueBanana

    Understanding life is not about proofs. Thousands of years of experience with this approach has gotten us no where.

    We can understand life by direct self observation and observation of what is around us, feeling, intuition and a bit of detective. Observe yourself, your mind, constantly adapting to new environments. Observe how you change as you adapt (maybe you play sports?). This is creative evolution in action.
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