• Atrox
    2
    I think that people who are not kind and very sneaky are way better off than kind people who think of others. Why to be ever unconditionally kind? I do not get it. I have a single mother who was always kind , giving and forgiving but I think it soaked the life out of her, for some reason she believed she was doing the right thing. I don't want to be unconditionally kind ever to be honest, everything is business for me. Why to be kind even? What would be someone else's thinking is what I want to know?

    Also the same with honesty, why is it considered such a strong thing I do not understand. I think being honest is terrible but stoicism argues agains it. I would rather be someone ahead in life than honest loser. Maybe I am missing something, that is why I am here asking?
  • Vera Mont
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    Why to be ever unconditionally kind?Atrox
    Who says it has to be unconditional?
    Why to be kind even?Atrox
    The normal thinking is: If you help others when they need it, they'll be motivated to help you when you need it. If it's all business, when your business fails, you're up shit creek, alone.

    Also the same with honesty, why is it considered such a strong thing I do not understand.Atrox
    The general understanding is that when you have a reputation for telling the truth, people trust you. In order to get such a reputation, you have to tell the truth most of the time. If you get a reputation for dishonestly, people won't want to do business with you, and if you consider all of life business, you're up shit creek. Alone.
  • Tom Storm
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    Maybe I am missing something, that is why I am here asking?Atrox

    Yes. And if you have to ask, it's likely no one will be able to assist you in understanding. You either get it or you don't.

    I consider kindness to be one of the most important qualities I value in both individuals and organizations. Not that I always get there myself. However, language is inherently imprecise and open to interpretation. When I say I prefer non-judgment, compassion, and empathy, that's essentially what I mean by kindness. It's all too easy to judge, criticize, and deepen the divide between people. Of course, this perspective can be scrutinized or criticized in ways that miss the point, but such an approach would be an unkind one.
  • T Clark
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    I don't want to be unconditionally kind ever to be honest, everything is business for me.Atrox

    Normally, when someone new posts to the forum I say "Welcome to the forum," but I won't here, because that might be construed as kindness. I wouldn't want to offend you. As you can see, the moderators have moved you to the lounge or, as we call it, the discussion graveyard. That's where it belongs. It's not philosophy, it's just spouting off. Ok, down to business. The other posters here have made good points. Here's my take.

    Most people like most other people most of the time. We're social, we like hanging around with each other. Kindness and honesty are social lubricants that make society run smoothly. More importantly, they are how we show others that we are members of the same community. When I show kindness for someone, I'm telling them I recognize them and feel common cause with them. For most people, that comes naturally. Apparently for you it doesn't. You're not the only one here on the forum who feels that way. Cynicism is not a very interesting philosophical position or an attractive one. I hope you have more to offer than that.
  • Leontiskos
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    Who says it has to be unconditional?Vera Mont

    :up:
  • Paul
    80
    Obviously nasty people end up with more money, and probably more happiness too. That's the reason it's praiseworthy to be kind. If people are just kind in order to get something instead of because they care about the people they're being kind to, then there's nothing noteworthy about the kindness.

    That more strength is required to do make sacrifices that make your path harder than to follow the path of least resistance to make your path easier... well, that should be so obvious I don't know how to explain it further.

    If you like to be a horrible person and find kindness revolting, you're probably an American conservative and that's how your value system works. You'll go far and trample over the corpses of the kind, unless others of your ilk out-compete you in the race to exploit.
  • javi2541997
    5.9k
    I can't see the link of not being kind with conservatism. I guess you might refer to the selfish way of acting that is common in the spectrum of this political ideology. Nonetheless, there are conservative groups out there that do kind acts. For example, Christian—and other religious groups—that are educating children in underdeveloped countries. Look at Catholic missionaries in Papua New Guinea, for instance. I am sure they are both kind and conservative.

    I know they are not perfect, but I would not call nasty to a missionary, even if his ideas are conservative.
  • unenlightened
    9.2k

    "Hi there. Why do you imagine any of us gives a flying fuck whether you are kind or not?" He says, unkindly.
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