What you can quote him advocating is people march to the capital building and cheer on the congressmen. — NOS4A2
Do you think Trump was encouraging them to march up to the Capitol and cheer on the Republican Congressmen from the street? Outside on the steps of the Capitol? Inside the chambers were Congress was actually convening? What, exactly?
You seem to be opposed to rule of law. I can't say I'm surprised.You’ve found me another reason why law in general and the legal profession in particular are stupid. — NOS4A2
This seems incoherent. He's been charged with crimes, and ideally he'll have the opportunity to defeat the prosecution's case. What "appeal to authority"? Are you referring to legal precedent? State bureaucrats? Who are you referring to? The eyewitnesses? Or are you just insisting we all consider him virtuous until proven guilty? (That would be extremely hypocritical, coming from someone who's complained of Biden's "litany of lies" - but who can't identify any specific lie).Nonetheless, Appeals to authority and the claims of state bureaucrats and council are not the evidence of critical facts. And there has to be a crime. — NOS4A2
How does any past actions erase the fact that Trump was irrational in his judgement of the election result? You've chosen to excuse his falsehood by assuming he truly believed he won, but then refuse to recognize the negative implication this has on Trump's intellectual capacity. You'd be better off calling it a shrewd lie.His fitness for president has already been proven. — NOS4A2
People went to prison as a result of Trump's election falsehoods. Police were physically injured; Babbit was killed. Trust in the election system and rule of law is at an all time low, and division at an all time high. Only an anarchist would applaud this.No, not a single person was hurt because of “Trump’s untruths”. The nation suffered because there was four years of hoaxes, and many are trapped in a moral panic the likes of which have never been seen. — NOS4A2
I'm dissappointed that you are mislead by these types of claims, as you're one of the wiser and more level-headed contributors on this forum. — Wayfarer
Please provide your definition of "insurrection". The Colorado Supreme Court ruling surveyed a variety of definitions, and I don't see that any apply. For example, they quoted Trump's attorney, saying it's "more than a riot, less than a rebellion". An objection raised in a parliamentary procedure doesn't even constitute a riot.
People went to prison as a result of Trump's election falsehoods. Police were physically injured; Babbit was killed.
Do you really think those wanting to immigrate pay much attention to "context"? — jgill
I thought you were refraining from making legal judgements. If you're going to dabble in it, don't treat your personal opinion as dispositive (as lawyers say).That’s not up to me, or the courts. That’s up to Congress, as only they have the power to enforce the provisions of the article. — NOS4A2
That's a ludicrous characterization. She was among a group of people breaking a window that barred entry to a corridor members of Congress had recently passed through, in their escape from a mob that had already injured policemen. Babbit was climbing through that broken window when she was shot. Her presence in the Capitol was illegal, breaking that window was illegal, and the cop exercised his personal judgement while doing his duty.Babbit was murdered. She was a slight, unarmed woman executed in the capitol building because she jumped through the wrong window. — NOS4A2
A reasonable person could go to a transcript of his speech, pick out one of the twenty-odd times he uses the word “fight”, and show how he is being literal, that he’s talking about actually fighting, like everyone who quotes “fight like hell” wants you to believe. — NOS4A2
Surely the outcome of the later case will be materially relevant to the appeal, would it not? — Wayfarer
Good evening. Today, an indictment was unsealed charging Donald J. Trump with conspiring to defraud the United States, conspiring to disenfranchise voters, and conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding. The indictment was issued by a grand jury of citizens here in the District of Columbia and sets forth the crimes charged in detail. I encourage everyone to read it in full. — Jack Smith
It is the largest criminal investigation in American history, and all the charges and convictions just so happen to fall upon the regime’s political opponents, including the biggest threat to their power, Donald Trump. — NOS4A2
All they need to do is to declare the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to the President or deny that this clause is "self-enforcing" and requires Congress to pass law to make it enforceable. — Relativist
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