The basic question is this: are words more than their word-form? — NOS4A2
My problem is that if the word-forms conveyed meaning, we’d know what they meant by reading them. It is precisely because they do not convey meaning that we do not understand them, not unless some Rosetta Stone or human being is able to supply them with meaning. The drift of meaning over time suggests much the same. — NOS4A2
It's very unclear what "word-form" is.word-form — NOS4A2
The basic question is this: are words more than their word-form? — NOS4A2
Meaning is constructed across minds, between and external to them as much as within them.
It's very unclear what "word-form" is.
My problem is that if the word-forms conveyed meaning ... — NOS4A2
... we’d know what they meant by reading them. — NOS4A2
People convey the meaning — NOS4A2
... the symbols are completely innocent, and need not be feared nor revered. They need not be defaced or censored or glorified. — NOS4A2
Those who know a language can convey meaning through the words they use, but that meaning cannot be conveyed to someone who does not know the language.
The symbols may be innocent but the words are not. Words are not simply a combination of letters or sounds. They are a way of saying things. Some things that some people say should be feared. One reason is not simply because others may revere and glorify them, but because they believe them and may act on them. They can be inspired by words and lied to and deceived by words.
The basic question is this: are words more than their word-form? — NOS4A2
what you do with them is type them out. — NOS4A2
There are people who don't use language to think by themselves?Only some people have it. — frank
I get subtle movements, which could be described as shivers as you say. Is this what they mean by thinking in words or an inner monologue, where neither the act of speaking nor any actual words are involved? — NOS4A2
There is nothing occurring that I could call a voice. — NOS4A2
Only some people have it. — frank
There are people who don't use language to think by themselves? — Paine
think they are either confused by the unwarranted emphasis on sub-monologue to the exclusion of sub-dialogue (far more typical in my own case at least) or they are reacting consciously or otherwise to the unwarranted inference of actual internal speech. — bongo fury
Touche.Everybody seems to think we're all the same. It's really hard to grasp that we aren't. — frank
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