So the self ceases to exist when asleep. — Banno
If being is interpreted as existence I agree. — jgill
Why “consciousness” is given such primacy is puzzling at times, especially when you take a serious look at how we live as human beings in our daily lives.
Opposed to all this, I’d argue that being is the precondition for consciousness — just as living is the precondition to being awake. We’re not always awake — and we’re not always conscious. — Mikie
So while sleeping or comatose, a person is just a "thing", and not a "being", like a sofa or toilet?A non-conscious being is not actually 'a being' but an object or a thing — Wayfarer
Idealists (i.e. spiritualists) like Jung just ignore Sartre's pre-cogito maxim "existence preceeds essence".I think Carl is paraphrasing Descartes. Like Descartes, it appears he has it ontologically backwards. — Mikie
A non-conscious being is not actually 'a being' but an object or a thing
— Wayfarer
So while sleeping or comatose, a person is just a "thing", and not a "being", like a sofa or toilet? — 180 Proof
Does it count that I once dreamt I was a toilet? — Joshs
I'll leave that question for you, @Joshs.Any dictionary you look at will use being and existence as synonyms for each other. If you don't think they're the same, what is the difference? — T Clark
Why would that matter? Would consciousness being more essential make more sense if we lived a different way?Why “consciousness” is given such primacy is puzzling at times, especially when you take a serious look at how we live as human beings in our daily lives.
So while sleeping or comatose, a person is just a "thing", and not a "being", like a sofa or toilet?
There is, for example, a real realm of possibility, but none of its inventory actually exists.
So while sleeping or comatose, a person is just a "thing", and not a "being", like a sofa or toilet? — 180 Proof
I hope you awoke flush with happiness. — Wayfarer
Lantana is a South American climbing vine that forms large patches sprawling over hundreds of square meters displacing native species and is extremely resistant to weedicides, nowadays endemic to large parts of Australia. — Wayfarer
More to the point, CS Peirce differentiated existence and reality. He said that existence is a binary property that can be ascribed to any concept or entity, depending on whether or not it satisfies certain logical criteria. For example, we might say that unicorns do not exist, because they fail to meet certain logical criteria for existence, such as being observable or verifiable in some way.
On the other hand, Peirce argued that reality is a far more complex and multifaceted concept that encompasses both the logical properties of existence as well as the broader metaphysical properties of being. — Wayfarer
I hope you awoke flush with happiness. — Wayfarer
I don't think anyone commented on this. Maybe I missed it. I wish I'd thought of it. — T Clark
We may want to include the idea that existence and being point to the same concept — Joshs
The plight of our civilization, accurately diagnosed by Jung in Modern Man in Search of a Soul, is here presented as a specifically individual struggle for moral and spiritual integrity against the ‘mass psychology’ generated by political fanaticism, scientific materialism and technological triumphalism on a global scale. Ultimately, this is a religious as much as a psychological problem, which is not solved by passive adoption of some established creed, but by opening oneself up to the ‘religious instinctive attitude’ and inner symbolic vitality possessed by each and everyone of us by virtue of our humanity. One of Jung’s most profound, yet accessible, texts. — The Undiscovered Self
What is more, most of the natural sciences try to represent the results of their investigations as though these had come into existence without man’s intervention, in such a way that the collaboration of the psyche – an indispensable factor – remains invisible. (An exception to this is modern physics, which recognizes that the observed is not independent of the observer.) So in this respect, too, science conveys a picture of the world from which a real human psyche appears to be excluded – the very antithesis of the “humanities.” — Carl Jung
You'd have to read Wayfarer's post from which I quoted and responded to with my post. — 180 Proof
So - is not consciousness invariably associated with beings? Isn't consciousness a fundamental attribute of beings, generally? (as jgill suggests) A non-conscious being is not actually 'a being' but an object or a thing. So consciousness is intrinsic to being, isn't it? I'm tempted to say that to be, is to be conscious. — Wayfarer
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