I think it's clear that Jews have been the victims of bigotry and oppression for thousands of years, and that Christians or those who called themselves Christians were largely responsible for their plight. Certainly the Holocaust was a peculiarly European phenomenon. — Ciceronianus the White
Ok, where do we start? — ssu
• Absorption of Discharged Soldiers Law (1994) Amendment No. 7: Benefits for Discharged Soldiers (2008): Allows the use of military/national service as a criterion for the allocation of benefits in higher education.The vast majority of Palestinian citizens of Israel are exempted from military service and do not serve in the Israeli army for political and historical reasons.
Who deprived the Palestinians there? The state of Israel, so they ought not have...What about the sense of historic? — fdrake
The problem with people using children as the face of victimhood here ignores the facts I pointed out earlier.
People are having more children they can afford and more than the land can house for often ideological reasons to outnumber the other side.
You can't just have loads of children and blame all their problems on someone else.
"Does Abu Talal not worry about bringing children into such a world?
"No, because if I lose 200 of my grandchildren, I will still have 200 left."" — Andrew4Handel
As readers have probably noticed, Andrew is a parody account aimed at making supporters of Israel look like sociopathic child murderers. I'm no fan of Israeli policy but I think you are probably taking this too far. — Baden
Yes, Israel exempts Arab citizens from conscription because Israel does not believe it civil to force Arab Israelis to fight against their own brethren as Israel is often at war. However, Arab Israelis are free to join the military if they wish in which case they receive the same benefits as any other soldier.
This point is really just condemning Israel for providing benefits to its veterans when more Jews serve than Arabs (because Jews are required to serve.) It's incredibly dishonest to present this as racism and if this claim is in the same vein as others it feels like propaganda. — BitconnectCarlos
Not at all out of place. Quite necessary I would think from the point of view of 'just war' theory. On a smaller scale it is a matter that lawyers and judges need to deal with very frequently. — Tobias
By definition the suicide bomber is dead and the threat has dissipated. What sort of 'security' does bulldozing a family house bring? — Tobias
Probably not, but if you want to attack Americans for their black pages in history the genocide on the Amerindians (or native Amercans whichever term you prefer) is an easier target. However, two wrongs do not make a right. So Israels actions do not suddenly become moral because those of the Americans in preceding centuries were immoral. — Tobias
If that argument flies no one can judge anything. However, it does not fly. If you are mugged in the subway the perpetrator will provided he is caught, be punished irrespective of his intractable historical circumstance. We punish him because we think mugging you is wrong. We recognise each other's pain and are capable of discerning suffering from pleasure. A historical situation makes behaviour understandable, maybe even excusable, but not right or justified. — Tobias
Whatever moral theory you might like and presents a cogent argument for your position. — Tobias
I do not think I need to expand much. When you say "well I have family in Israel and so that is why I embrace the position that Israel did not commit war crimes" you do that. You apparently hold the position that whether or not country X committed war crimes is dependent on whether the parties have relatives on country X. — Tobias
Yes of course there is a difference. Being evil is a characteristic of a person or entity and doing evil is judgment passed on an action. — Tobias
So Arab Israelis aren't Israeli enough to defend their own country because their "brethren" are fighting with Israel. Except, of course, you're all semites so... eh...? — Benkei
Never mind that this was like, I don't know, the fifth point in that list so you read at least four others. That doesn't feel like propapanda but just straight up dishonest. — Benkei
And it wouldn't mitigate the atrocious moral wrong of this to examine how many children Israelis had. This is what makes you a nutter or a troll. — Baden
↪Andrew4Handel LOL. An IDF website. You sad pathetic piece of shit. At least@BitconnectCarlos makes an honest attempt. — Benkei
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