P1. Moral sentences are sometimes true.
P2. A sentence is true if and only if the truth-making relation holds between it and the thing that makes it true.
P3. Thus, true moral sentences are true only because there holds a truth-making relation between them and the things that make them true.
Therefore,
C. The things that make some moral sentences true must exist. — Shin Kim
Are there moral facts? — Cartesian trigger-puppets
And he's wrong because he assumes objective, God given moral facts. — counterpunch
Are there moral facts? — Cartesian trigger-puppets
Hume thought moral facts were god given? I don't think so. Can you support this? — Banno
In every system of morality, which I have hitherto met with, I have always remarked, that the author proceeds for some time in the ordinary way of reasoning, and establishes the being of a God... — counterpunch
And evolution, again. That we have evolved to do such-and-such does nto suffice to shoe that such-and-such is right. — Banno
The passage quoted implies Hume assumes morality is God given. — counterpunch
https://davidhume.org/texts/t/3/1/1
T 3.1.1.27, SBN 469-70. — Banno
P2. A sentence is true if and only if the truth-making relation holds between it and the thing that makes it true. — Shin Kim
In light of modern knowledge, morality is clearly a consequence of evolution. — counterpunch
...is quite acceptable. What I'd reject is the notion that truth is in all cases determined by correspondence. Hence, the example of mathematical truths - where what they correspond to is unclear.P1. Moral sentences are sometimes true. — Shin Kim
Evolution is profoundly important to h.sapiens - because we evolved. In order to understand our psychology, morality, religion, politics, etc, we need to understand our evolutionary history. — counterpunch
But there’s a lived truth, a truth you feel in your bones, that has a bearing. — Wayfarer
Not so. It’s the naturalistic fallacy, that because something occurs in nature, then it’s necessarily good, or a guide to what is good. Evolutionary science is of course a fundamental science, but it has very little bearing on moral philosophy. (:yikes: Brace for umbrage.) — Wayfarer
Morality is a sense. — counterpunch
Here’s my view of what happened. Of course it’s true that we all passed through the tortuous process of evolution from simian forbears. But what imposes moral necessity on us, is not an instinct, like that by which salmon return to their home stream. It’s because we became independent arbiters of what is good. We could decide, we could judge. We had possessions, things to call our own, and language by which to name it. That is the origin of the moral sense. No doubt, we evolved to the point of developing that sense, but to say it is merely or simply an adaptive necessity is to entirely mistake the existential predicament of the emerging self of h. Sapiens. When we evolved to that point, we also escaped the gravity of biology to some degree. We were no longer simply a creature, but a creature who could ask ‘what am I?’, and ‘what is this world I find myself in?’ — Wayfarer
‘Tis not. It’s a reasoned judgement about the correct action. — Wayfarer
Here’s my view of what happened. Of course it’s true that we all passed through the tortuous process of evolution from simian forbears. But what imposes moral necessity on us, is not an instinct, like that by which salmon return to their home stream. It’s because we became independent arbiters of what is good. We could decide, we could judge. We had possessions, things to call our own, and language by which to name it. — Wayfarer
That is the origin of the moral sense. No doubt, we evolved to the point of developing that sense, but to say it is merely or simply an adaptive necessity is to entirely mistake the existential predicament of the emerging self of h. Sapiens. — Wayfarer
Beautiful bit of writing, W, and I'm not sure how Sam Harris/Counterpunch will respond. — Tom Storm
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