Imagine a forum without right wingers

Political opinion may be subjective but logic- specifically demonstrable real-world examples and statistics or factual data- are not. Care to list a few examples?

I'm sorry about reality's well-known liberal bias. Feel free to hide from reality in a right-wing echo chamber if you really prefer.

I think they’re singing ‘Kumbaya’

Scrolling down the first page of threads, they are mostly philosophy threads with a couple of big political threads. A number of active members are progressives and/or leftists. That doesn't make it a leftist forum, and even if it did, discuss politics elsewhere if you don't like it. Get a life.

Everyone on this forum ( at least if they have anything interesting to offer) attacks unceasingly. That’s what makes it fun.

Is the free marketplace of ideas being mean to you again? Free speech a bit too free for your liking? Looking for a safe space? Posting a trigger warning for others?

The majority is apparently liberal if that’s what you’re trying to say, sans the micro-drama.

I do consider myself as left wing but you have not discussed anything other than the possibility of being attacked, so I am unclear what point you are trying to make.

It's true that this forum is mostly left-leaning but it's a bit unfair for you to complain about being unceasing attacks from leftists. Post anything which is left-leaning and you will also be relentlessly debated. While this is more true for politics, we could really say, post nearly anything and you will probably be criticised and debated, it's a philosophy forum after all.

Philosophy is stressful in that you are constantly challenged.

Philosophising about politics is even more stressful in that you are constantly challenged about stuff which is (increasingly) close to your heart and identity. The nature of the challenge is also likely to be more heated. I haven't followed your interactions here, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a little less dispassionate analysis and a little more dismissiveness coming from those who disagree with you. At least, that's been my experience talking about politics. I have conflicting feelings about what we should think about that. On the one hand, it is perfectly understandable given the essentially practical nature of the inquiry - ultimately, our political philosophy must be oriented towards getting people to do stuff we think is just (I think ethics and politics are fundamentally practical disciplines). On the other, I think we should strive to be as dispassionate as possible in the context of philosophising.

'Reality has a liberal bias' ~ some bloke.

how can a forum run by raving putin-backers be leftist?

To all my fellow right wingers who have migrated from Parler because Big Brother/Big Tech Google and Apple have eliminated Parler from their webstores (Orwell actually touched on this in 1984, but that's for another thread), let me be the first to say: welcome to our new home.

I am looking forward to having a serious discussion on issues that touch on the very core of what it means to be right wing today, including our fundamental beliefs and the worldview with which we understand reality.

Let's get right down to it, contemporary right wing philosophy. The first question I will pose is: Do you think that Trump is the reincarnation of Christ? Or, does Christ merely work through him in order to lay the groundwork for his Glorious Return?

Do you think that Trump is the reincarnation of Christ? — Maw

Personally, no. Though I don't see why it would be impossible. The same for the random guy who delivers your mail or perhaps waits your tables. According to scripture, Jesus was not aware who he was until he was in his 30s or so, when he was in the temple and stated "the prophecy is fulfilled". He was purportedly, obviously from the most widely known detail being born in a manger, born into a family of neither wealth nor nobility. One could argue, being born as a billionaire mogul would in theory only stifle such a realization, being a man as well subject to temptation, fear, anger, lust, etc.

This forum really contains close to no actual right-wingers, if you actually look at the majority of political debates on this forum, it's moderate left vs further left. Of course, the further left see anyone who doesn't agree with them as right-wing so people get called right-wing all the time but not really.

I’m more interested in what you hoped to accomplish by posting this rather than whether or not it’s true.

This forum really contains close to no actual right-wingers, if you actually look at the majority of political debates on this forum, it's moderate left vs further left. — Judaka

This forum contains plenty of pro-capitalists, who are part of the right. There are lots of religious social conservatives too, who are also part of the right. What it doesn't generally contain are vocally active racists, misogynists, and so on, because hate like that isn't actually philosophy and thankfully is against the rules here.

I don't think I've actually noticed any e.g. Marxist-Leninists, never mind Stalinists, or anything like that here. In addition to the capitalists and social conservatives above, there mostly seem to be centrists (a la the Democratic Party), and then libertarian socialists. The axis here seems to be between those who think the status quo, economically and socially, is mostly fine (which is the definition of conservative), and those who want more liberty, more equality, or both.

If you think the aforementioned centrists are "moderate left", that just shows how far right your own viewpoint is skewed, but then you're in good company with most Americans in that case, so it's hard to blame you.

He was purportedly, obviously from the most widely known detail being born in a manger, born into a family of neither wealth nor nobility. One could argue, being born as a billionaire mogul would in theory only stifle such a realization, being a man as well subject to temptation, fear, anger, lust, etc. — Outlander

It is true that Christ was born in a manger, but if you read The Bible carefully, particularly what Jesus says, it is clear he is very pro-capitalism.

This forum really contains close to no actual right-wingers, if you actually look at the majority of political debates on this forum, it's moderate left vs further left. Of course, the further left see anyone who doesn't agree with them as right-wing so people get called right-wing all the time but not really. — Judaka

This is why we need to bring serious right wing discussion into these forums!

I’m more interested in what you hoped to accomplish by posting this rather than whether or not it’s true. — khaled

Nothing slingshots an offbeat cause quite like a good martyr. "He died for this ... so we.. we must live for this!" *hoorahs of the crowd*

Nothing turns common folk against the king like seeing one of their own put to death.

I do not think socialism can belong to the left and that capitalism is on the right. Fascism, for instance, is known to have anti-capitalistic factions and there are many left-leaning ideas on how our current capitalism could be reformed to be more in-line with the goals of the left. So I do not accept the "pro-capitalism is right-wing" idea. Pro-capitalists here want more economic redistribution, believe in more regulation, are amenable or in favour of increasing taxes.

I do not think there is a balance of people who are against more economic redistribution versus those who are in favour of it. Even the few people who actively label themselves as "right-wing" are also in favour of more economic redistribution. I can't keep track of every person who makes an account here but for posters with 1k+ posts, the overwhelming majority (95%+) would support more economic redistribution. We could analyse some threads talking about economic inequality, there may be debate on the best way to do it but if there's debate on whether it's necessary, it's usually just one or two people posting a lot.

The democratic party is certainly left-wing. The democratic party often talks about topics such as climate action, pro-choice, gun control, economic redistribution, increased taxes, pro-immigration, increasing the minimum wage, free healthcare, taxing the super-rich, expanding free education. Exhibiting the typical idea of left governments, there's no way it's reasonable to call them centre, even centre-left.

As I said, for whatever reason the further left-wing posters will label anyone who isn't as radical as they are as "right-wing". The current thread on fascism demonstrates this, Kenosha kid is calling people right-wing for just daring to criticise Antifa, it's absurd.

I guess we'll see where people fall on this complex of different issues in the results of my new poll thread:

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/9952/a-poll-on-the-forums-political-biases

It’s a nice mix, I think. Besides, everyone is conservative about what they think they know.

Perhaps he endeavored to showcase the pettiness of some of the forum's posters, and in that he certainly succeeded.

Obviously Brett is venting some frustration here but his poor expression of his issue with this forum doesnt mean there is no substance here.
Perhaps the OP could be rephrased and made a bit more clear and substantive, something like: “does the leftist bias of this forum hinder political discussions?” Or “is the leftist bias on this forum resulting in a tribal mentality that is dismissive of other/right posters?”
To anyone who doesn't think there is a leftist bias, I direct you to the poll done on political affiliations in another thread. 60% left, but more importantly 0% right. An example from this very thread came from Pfhorrest when he said “ I'm sorry about reality's well-known liberal bias. Feel free to hide from reality in a right-wing echo chamber if you really prefer.”
Left wing, reality based. Right wing, not reality based but the simple dogma of an echo chamber.
Thats a pretty biased way of looking at the right and the people on it. Also, delightfully ironic since Im not sure what else you would call this forum other than an echo chamber given there is apparently (according to Pforrests own poll) 0% of the other side posting on it.
Another question worth asking is why someone on the right might feel attacked.
Another might be “ are we interested in diversity of opinion on this forum or just the “correct” (left) opinions, politically speaking?”
It is also relevant to ask whether the right even exists anymore, or it has disappeared in the wake of trumpism, the political game (right wing ideology has been replaced by the ideology of winning the game of politics) and astonishingly widely accepted conspiracy theories?

Warning: this is a leftist forum and you will be attacked unceasingly if you disagree with them.

Edit: correction, the forum is dominated by leftists. — Brett

Naturally any Philosophy forum has for ages been dominated by leftists. Marx simply is such a big part of contemporary philosophy, so the leftists have been always part of the philosophy circles. And even if marxism-leninism isn't so popular anymore, it's totally OK to promote and talk about a philosophy that has lead to hideous totalitarianism and mass murder (unlike fascism and national socialism).

What just has happened is that the tensions have gone up and the unfortunate low standards of social media have influenced writing here too. The present toxic atmosphere in public discourse hasn't been kept away from this site, unfortunately.

Yet if you aren't a leftist, I think PF is the perfect forum to interact with reasonable leftists. And actually not all are leftists here...

And even if marxism-leninism isn't so popular anymore, it's totally OK to promote and talk about a philosophy that has lead to hideous totalitarianism and mass murder (unlike fascism and national socialism). — ssu

Probably because neither fascism and nazism have anything useful to say about the dominant economic system, whereas communism does. Marx Das Capital is an analytical piece of work with a lot of predictions about the consequences of capitalism that turned out to be true. His labour theory of value is a continuation of Adam Smith and Ricardo.

To really understand the problems of corporate capitalism requires acquaintance with Marx, although, perhaps nowadays we could ignore it and read Piketty instead.

Imagine a forum without right wingers — Maw

This forum really contains close to no actual right-wingers, if you actually look at the majority of political debates on this forum, it's moderate left vs further left. — Judaka

Yes, the real debate is not between right and left, but between the sane sensible people on all sides and the nutzo crackpots on all sides.

This forum contains plenty of pro-capitalists, who are part of the right. There are lots of religious social conservatives too, who are also part of the right. What it doesn't generally contain are vocally active racists, misogynists, and so on, because hate like that isn't actually philosophy and thankfully is against the rules here. — Pfhorrest

Hate was the primary reason you voted against Trump. You "progressives" like to believe that you are all open-minded and accepting of others differences, but your actions speak louder than your words. You people are are so filled with hate its insane.

But then that's part if the problem. You think its ok to verbally abuse others you disagree with, but racism is a big, "No-No"? Whats the fucking difference?