I don't see how you can equate anything Obama believed with Trump's world-view. — Tim3003
I think populists don't call for change. Just the reverse. They surf the wave of the conservative's fear of change. Brexit was not a change but a reaction to the changing nature of the EU, a wish to hold on to a notion of Britain from the past, before immigration and those Brussels burocrats started trying to control our green and pleasant land. That's why the retirement age voters went for it and the young did not. — Tim3003
In the same way Trump didn't call for change either, just a reversion to an America-first view that would have been the only show in town a few decades ago. It's the fear of change, and especially that threatened by globalism and climate change, that populists thrive on. Their supporters are usually those with so little imagination they can easily bury their heads in the sand instead of considering the effects of their wall-building. The word 'conservative' isn't used for no reason.. — Tim3003
UKIP support collapsed as soon as Farrage left it, which was well before the Brexit deal was signed. There was however a Brexit supporting govt by then so he thought his fight was won. When Teresa May failed to get her deal through parliament he realised it might not be, so at the election the in-coming Boris was forced to call he formed the Brexit party to keep Boris honest. Voters flocked to Farrage and not to UKIP, which still existed. — Tim3003
I see this a bit in Fox (though they still provide a platform for the fraud narrative, just hedge their bets both ways).
But Breitbart as of right now has the following front page headlines: — boethius
I'm seriously questioning whether the current Biden win may in fact not be worse than a Trump victory — StreetlightX
We were talking about politicians. They don't ask questions. The reporters do. Politicians make assertions. If you aren't telling the truth or a lie then you aren't saying anything. You're just making noises with your mouth. So it seems to me that believing in the existence of statements that are neither truth or lies would be the boring life.You are missing out on the best part of life if you think that everything spoken must either be the truth or a lie. You might also be missing out on the worst part of life, as well. Conclusion: your life must be very boring. What if I said to you: "Let's go run away together", how would you class this as truth or falsity? How would you class a question? How would you class rhetoric? How would you class diplomacy? I'm sorry to have to shatter your illusion Harry, but human relationships are not discussed in terms of truth and falsity. — Metaphysician Undercover
You're just making noises with your mouth. — Harry Hindu
I think you misunderstand how right wing populism works. Yes, it is backwards-looking, but it's not conservative in the usual sense. Right wing populists like Trump, Johnson et al did not promise to keep things stable. They promised a return to the natural state of (national / racial) superiority by smashing the "establishment", which purportedly maintains an artificial, unnatural state. They want change, but change toward some ideal version of the past. — Echarmion
Corporate America sabotages the left for financial gain, nearly costs them the election, and then starts blaming the left... for financial gain... — VagabondSpectre
:100: :shade:I think you misunderstand how right wing populism works. Yes, it is backwards-looking, but it's not conservative in the usual sense. Right wing populists like Trump, Johnson et al did not promise to keep things stable. They promised a return tothe natural state of(national / racial) superiority by smashing the "establishment", which purportedly maintains an artificial, unnatural state. They want change, but change toward some ideal version of the past. — Echarmion
Then when they say that after investigations that there has been widespread fraud etc and they won't admit that Biden vote, only then you are going into the true political crisis/civil war territory. Or when you have two competing administrations in January 20th — ssu
Notice the word when.In other words, they are preparing a coup... — Olivier5
He's up to something, he's replaced most of the civilian leadership in the pentagon in the last 24 hrs. There are lots of rumours going around, my preference is to trigger emergency powers due to civil disobedience, insurgence, or war. So that he can claim that the transfer of powers is postponed indefinitely. — Punshhh
He's got that covered. As soon as they start to see that he could possibly pull it off, dozens of Republicans will flock by his side. Keep in mind that there's much money to be made in selling off a democracy.He doesn't stand much of a chance without the support of the GOP establishment. — Echarmion
The way it's done in Africa, all you need is a few battalions backing you up. You don't need the entire army t make a coup.You can't just order a military coup in an established democracy. Without some kind of legitimate claim, such orders would simply be ignored by the rank and file. — Echarmion
In many African countries the entire army is a few battalions.The way it's done in Africa, all you need is a few battalions backing you up. You don't need the entire army t make a coup. — Olivier5
You got a) and d). Trump has got more than passive support, he's got 70 million votes and a host of extreme right militia armed to the teeth, and biding for their time. As for b) the US electoral system is very weak and open to abuse; and for c) a history of military coups, there's always a first time.Also what is needed a) poor government, b) lacking and nonexistent institutions, c) a history of military coups and d) active or passive support from at least a portion of the people for a military overthrow. — ssu
And that's what the plutocrats want. Divide et impera.If Americans are not polarised against plutocrats, they will be polarised against each other. — StreetlightX
Well, just don't confuse those 70 million votes to all being QAnon believers. Or do you think that all Biden voters believe that Trump is the new Hitler?Trump has got more than passive support, he's got 70 million votes and a host of extreme right militia armed to the teeth, and biding for their time. — Olivier5
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