I find it hard to see anything good about the results. — Echarmion
Of course, if Trump wins, the opposing side need to just suck it up too. That's Democracy — Baden
Under your "decent" Presidents the likelihood of the people getting what they want was no different than under Trump. Even if we were to accept the US is a democracy (highly debatable) Trump's character has absolutely nothing to do with how representation of the people's will is provided by the system. Very badly it seems. But in the end democracy is not one man and it's certainly not just this election. — Benkei
As to power politics, this is precisely the only way you can keep a semblance of democracy alive in the US because of the winner-takes-all system. You don't build common ground, you don't compromise and you should win at all cost. If people can't tell the difference between us and them it will cost us votes. If we don't win and give voters what they want, it will cost us votes. This has nothing to do with decency. — Benkei
The only reason Democrats need to act "decent" is because they try to appeal to 20.000 different groups instead of providing an overarching story that transcends modern identity politics and goes back to people vs. corporations, workers vs. capitalist, poor vs. rich etc. take your pick. Not "not Trump". But Democrats are too scared of losing their Wall Street backers, who, despite record spending and outspending of Trump, can't even decisively deliver victory, if at all. The story is wrong, the politics naïve and shows that it's basically the Democratic Party that is in crisis - in light of the challenges they don't offer anything new, they just double down on the same old thinking. Donkeys indeed. — Benkei
When Trump says he's won before the votes have been counted people just laugh at Trump being Trump. But when the President of the United States says we should stop counting votes, that's different. Most Trump voters are not fascists. They don't want somebody on top deciding whether their votes should be counted. They want to vote and they want to win of course. But they don't want somebody deciding whether they get to vote. — Hippyhead
Don't worry, I'm being hypothetical about a fair victory. Biden has won this as I've been saying. — Baden
The president has been saying the same thing over and over for the last couple of months — Echarmion
I can say that Sweden, my home country had a development like that from say 1920 up til 2010 after which globalization issues with a very large immigration and unstable job market has caused a very unstable poltical landscape and a lot of frictions.
— Ansiktsburk
So... nothing dramatic happened until 2010???
Even if off the topic, I'd argue that a lot has happened in Sweden before that. Perhaps starting from the huge influx of Finns, half a million, coming over in the late 60's and early 70's to your country. Half a million is still a large number. We tend to overemphasize the changes of the present. — ssu
The problem is that you don't see that your candidate was a cartoon character as well.While I'm honking, I gotta say, whatever happens we Dems need to sit down in front of a mirror and finally figure out why we continually find ourselves in close elections against cartoon characters. — Hippyhead
No. It was the candidate that you put on the Democratic ticket that contradicted the very things that the Dems argued against or for. A true progressive just can't bring themselves to vote for an old racist white guy that has been in power for nearly 50 years, nor can people that have claimed that systemic racism and white privilege exists bring themselves to vote for a old racist white guy that has been in power for nearly 50 years.Having to fight tooth and nail to have a chance of defeating Trump? That's clear evidence that all the blame can't be aimed elsewhere. We've somehow alienated vast swaths of the population to an extreme degree. We need to figure out how that happened. Calling them a "basket of deplorables" isn't going to fix it. — Hippyhead
Part of Trump's political genius is that he talks non-stop (thus dominating all forms of media) but you can never really know for sure what he's saying — Hippyhead
Part of Trump's political genius is that he talks non-stop (thus dominating all forms of media) but you can never really know for sure what he's saying — Hippyhead — jorndoe
Republicans refused to allow absentee ballots to be counted first in PA for this very reason. Very different narrative and much less confusion if they hadn't decided to play dirty. — Baden
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