"I hope there's not a race problem. I certainly do not have one."

What a fucking dipshit.

Trump's not the only racist currently in power.

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What a fucking dipshit. — creativesoul

This is not a refutation.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Perhaps you can name a victim from another race that produced riots and state funerals and massive corporate advertising campaigns. I can watch a video of a caucasian kid dying in nearly the exact same way as George Floyd. No riots, no international outcry, no renaming of buildings named after David Hume to his name, no protests. — NOS4A2

I agree that not every police officer is racist. But it ought to be the case that every police officer is not racist. And the general issue of police brutality and abuse of power is another problem, which can be understood as distinct from the problem of racism. The statistics show that both are problems, and they both tie in to the Defund movement. The two attitudes together, the one called racism, and the one which leads to an abuse of power, create a more complex problem. This is the problem we see when racists are in a position of having power, and enjoy abusing power. I try not to be sexist bit I think this problem is specifically associated with the male gender. It reminds of men who like to beat their dogs.

I'm denying your allegation that Antifa as a group goes out of its way to target journalists. Apart from your really, really low standard of what consitutes a journalist. And let's put things in perspective here: https://www.rcfp.org/black-lives-matter-press-freedom/ — Benkei

I don't believe antifa as a group goes out of its way to target journalists, but this partially just due to the fact that there is no "antifa as a group" on a large, national scale. Isn't it just a patchwork of local organizations? Just curious, do you consider any conservative journalists - say, Ben Shapiro or Ann Coulter - as "legitimate" journalists? Are there any smaller conservative journalists who you like/would consider a "real" journalist? Plenty of oppressive organizations may not have gone "out of their way" to target journalists but they still did.

I mentioned this last time but the police is a separate discussion. Conservative journalists don't really have links to the police. If you consider the police your opponent just because they do something wrong doesn't mean you therefore get to do it.

I know you didn't. So you agree the actual threat to the USA are far right extremists? — Benkei

I don't like right wing extremists and I have no interest in defending them. That said, my impression about right-wing violence in the US is that it's largely lone wolf attacks but if there was a unified group behind, say, the Dylan Roof shooting or the El Paso wal-mart shooting I'd be more than happy to target those groups but in the absence of there being those groups it's kind of a dead trail. For instance it's my impression that Roof got radicalized over the internet, but I don't know of any group behind it and what are we going to do, shut off the racism side of the internet? I guess the most present group is the boogaloos but you've got also pro-BLM and left wing boogaloo's so it's not that simple to just label all boogaloo's right wing extremists. They almost seem like more libertarian extremists if that's a thing.

I'm happy to talk about right wing extremism with you, but you've got to admit today the far left tends to be more visible today. I don't like either of them. It's not a matter of choosing to like one as a counterbalance to the other.

I'm happy to talk about right wing extremism with you, but you've got to admit today the far left tends to be more visible today. I don't like either of them. It's not a matter of choosing to like one as a counterbalance to the other. — BitconnectCarlos

The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States

Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.

but you've got to admit today the far left tends to be more visible today. — BitconnectCarlos

Read: "I'm a dupe for propaganda and recite the views fed to me by it, regardless of the facts".

So where are the organizations behind this? Lets go after them. Nobody likes right wing terrorism, but other attacks happen and we just don't call them terrorism. To the best of my knowledge, as I mentioned earlier, many of these "right wing" attacks are lone wolf attacks where the attackers were radicalized over the internet so unless you want to shut down parts of the internet I don't know what to tell you.



Thank you for the insightful response. I'll be sure to check with you about the facts before I post next time, comrade.

comrade — BitconnectCarlos

Everyone not on the Trump Train is a communist, right? The programing has really stuck.

many of these "right wing" attacks are lone wolf attacks where the attackers were radicalized over the internet — BitconnectCarlos

Yes, they're radicalized by ignorant dipshits who buy into and sprout the propaganda you transmit like the good little pawn you are.

And it's not "right wing" in scare quotes - it's quite simply right wing violence perpetrated by adherents to a dogshit ideology which murders people on the regular.

If you'd read the two FBI links I shared you'd know lone wolfs first, then white supremacist groups and ultra-national groups. Boogaloo is an obvious, militant, far right group that has been involved in various incidents and two killings just in the past year.

As for the names of right-wing terrorist groups: Proud Boys, Atomwaffen Division, Patriot Prayer, Boogaloo, Rise Above Movement and quite literally hundreds more. Of course, not names that TwoBit has been fed by Fox, hence the pathetic retreat into 'lone wolf' attacks. Fuck off with your apologetics.

And this to speak nothing of stochastic terrorism, stoked by racist cumstains like Trump.

Just another day of cops shooting autistic boys in the back. Threatened by someone more mentally stable than them, I guess.

Everyone not on the Trump Train is a communist, right? The programing has really stuck. — praxis

Yes, I refer to all non-Trumpers as communists. It's just part of my programming as a non-liberal. Ya got me.

But hey, who would have known that in this particular instance it's actually right? Streetlight is very far left if we're going by the typical political spectrum and I don't think he would deny that.

If you'd read the two FBI links I shared you'd know lone wolfs first, then white supremacist groups and ultra-national groups. Boogaloo is an obvious, militant, far right group that has been involved in various incidents and two killings just in the past year. — Benkei

Are you aware that there are pro-BLM boogaloos? There are left-wing boogaloos too, the only thing the organization has as a binding principle is that they're pro-gun and anti-government. You can say, like with antifa, that there are people within the movement that are bad but it's simply not true to label the entire movement as Nazis or white supremacists.

We often simply group anti-government activists as right wingers but this has never entirely made sense to me. I mean who's largely anti-police right now?

uh no. The definition of boogaloo doesn't support that.

Department of Homeland Security had this to say:

In June 2020, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) tweeted in reply to a Politico[49] article about the boogaloo movement that an intelligence bulletin released by the agency "does NOT identify the Boogaloo movement as left-wing OR right-wing" and stated that "they are simply violent extremists from both ends of the ideological spectrum".

A lot of American "right wing" violence, like Timothy McVeigh, is just anti-government. I don't know if it's fair to call this right wing and place it in the same camp as like Hitler. We could use some clarity here unless we just want to count everything from Waco to Hitler as right wing.

attempts by some individual elements of the movement to support anti-racist groups such as Black Lives Matter have been met with wariness and skepticism as researchers are unsure if they are genuine or meant to obscure the movement's actual objectives. — Wiki

Trump's actual language regarding the movement for racial justice reform in the United States is chock full of statements, none of which offer support, or even acknowledge that there is a problem with racial injustice and/or systemic racism in America. There has never been a single statement out of Trump's mouth that honors the movement, honors the plight of black Americans, and/or acknowledges the injury black Americans have sustained throughout American history at the hands of racist beliefs and practices.

Not one!

“Despite suffering the horrors of slavery and all that flowed from this inexcusable and cruel act against humanity, African Americans have been instrumental in building and bolstering our great Nation.

From enrichening our culture and enhancing our American identity to strengthening our economy and safeguarding our cherished freedoms, the remarkable courage and steadfast resolve of African Americans define the American spirit.”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/presidential-message-154th-anniversary-ratification-13th-amendment/

“ And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/statement-president-trump/

“ National African American History Month is an occasion to rediscover the enduring stories of African Americans and the gifts of freedom, purpose, and opportunity they have bestowed on future generations. It is also a time to commemorate the countless contributions of African Americans, many of whom lived through and surmounted the scourge of segregation, racial prejudice, and discrimination to enrich every fiber of American life. Their examples of heroism, patriotism, and enterprise have given people of all backgrounds confidence, courage, and faith to pursue their own dreams.”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/presidential-proclamation-national-african-american-history-month-2019/

In June 2020, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) tweeted in reply to a Politico[49] article about the boogaloo movement that an intelligence bulletin released by the agency "does NOT identify the Boogaloo movement as left-wing OR right-wing" and stated that "they are simply violent extremists from both ends of the ideological spectrum". — BitconnectCarlos

You missed off the rest of that quote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogaloo_movement#Political_spectrum

In June 2020, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) tweeted in reply to a Politico[49] article about the boogaloo movement that an intelligence bulletin released by the agency "does NOT identify the Boogaloo movement as left-wing OR right-wing" and stated that "they are simply violent extremists from both ends of the ideological spectrum".[34] The Guardian refuted the DHS' description of the movement, saying that experts on extremism concur that the boogaloo movement is rightwing.[34] Daryl Johnson, a former DHS analyst, told The Guardian that he believed the DHS' claim that the boogaloo movement was not right-wing was "playing politics".[34] Johnson further stated that the boogaloo movement is "an ultra-nationalist primarily white movement of people who belong to the militias. Could there be somebody that has different sympathies that's part of it? Sure. It's predominantly rightwing".

Oh gee, TwoBit selectively quoting to shore up his shitty efforts to muddy the waters? Who would have thought?

I think a lot of our discussion just concerns what qualifies as "right wing." Traditionally the far right refers to Nazism or other extreme, racist, authoritarian, nationalistic movements but if we remove the authoritarianism and racism but leave the love of guns then what? I guess we can call racism "right wing" - sure, whatever - but there's a line made in the conservative movement between those who are more racial and those who aren't. I haven't defended racists and I haven't stood against going after violent groups regardless of political affiliation if they've been linked to violent acts. The sins of one group don't excuse the sins of another.

But hey, who would have known that in this particular instance it's actually right? Streetlight is very far left if we're going by the typical political spectrum and I don't think he would deny that. — BitconnectCarlos

Deny that he's far left or a red fascist?

I think it’s safe to say that if right-wing mobs were parading through cities looting and burning we’d have a national discussion on the topic. Until then...

Far left. I don't know Streetlight's political position exactly but I'd wager either socialist or communist, thus the "comrade."

I think it’s safe to say that if right-wing mobs were parading through cities looting and burning we’d have a national discussion on the topic. Until then... — NOS4A2

No doubt about it.

Far left. I don't know Streetlight's political position exactly but I'd wager either socialist or communist, thus the "comrade." — BitconnectCarlos

So you don't know the difference between democratic socialism and communism?

Why don't we ask Streetlight what he is politically and from there I'll determine if "comrade" is appropriate? @StreetlightX

Unnessisay, the point is made, you're programmed to see things in a particular way regardless of appropriateness.

Left-wingers call each other comrade all the time. You could even call a democratic socialist "comrade" it doesn't matter. I wouldn't call a centrist Democrat "comrade" but then again I'm pretty sure Streetlight isn't a centrist Democratic.

I wouldn't call you comrade.