Please enlighten me, Coronayoda... — Baden
And, in fairness, you said yourself your Governor was an idiot, so what are the chances of this working out well for you down there? Seriously? — Baden
And I'll do my hoping eating a cheese burger at the fine in, not like you, all cooped up like a scared ass chicken. — Hanover
Yeah, my life has been turned upside down, I used to spend all day inside working on my computer and only going out to exercise, and now I spend all day inside working on my computer and only go out to exercise within 2km of my home. :lol: — Baden
I retired from the Kremlin many years ago. — NOS4A2
I’m retired. Money is already earned, friend. Unfortunately that’s something they won’t teach you in certain circles. :wink: — NOS4A2
As the number of confirmed cases of COVID-19 surges past 2.2 million globally and deaths surpass 150,000, clinicians and pathologists are struggling to understand the damage wrought by the coronavirus as it tears through the body. They are realizing that although the lungs are ground zero, its reach can extend to many organs including the heart and blood vessels, kidneys, gut, and brain.
“[The disease] can attack almost anything in the body with devastating consequences,” says cardiologist Harlan Krumholz of Yale University and Yale-New Haven Hospital, who is leading multiple efforts to gather clinical data on COVID-19. “Its ferocity is breathtaking and humbling.”
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How the virus attacks the heart and blood vessels is a mystery, but dozens of preprints and papers attest that such damage is common. A 25 March paper in JAMA Cardiology documented heart damage in nearly 20% of patients out of 416 hospitalized for COVID-19 in Wuhan, China. In another Wuhan study, 44% of 36 patients admitted to the ICU had arrhythmias.
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According to one preprint, 27% of 85 hospitalized patients in Wuhan had kidney failure. Another reported that 59% of nearly 200 hospitalized COVID-19 patients in China’s Hubei and Sichuan provinces had protein in their urine, and 44% had blood; both suggest kidney damage. Those with acute kidney injury (AKI), were more than five times as likely to die as COVID-19 patients without it, the same Chinese preprint reported.
And how anyone can look at 2,700 deaths in one day and say, "Time to open everything up!" is just utterly beyond me. — Baden
The UN is now predicting famines of “biblical” proportions within the next few months.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52373888
If this does come to pass, it will be a man-made catastrophe.
Yeah, my life has been turned upside down, I used to spend all day inside working on my computer and only going out to exercise, and now I spend all day inside working on my computer and only go out to exercise within 2km of my home. :lol:
The rich are not getting their promised ROI. Gotta sacrifice a few (tens or hundreds of thousands of blue collar workers, predominantly african-americans) to get the ball rolling again. It's the American Way - shit on your blacks and poor for some dough.
pretend you’re defending blue-collar workers and the poor as you tacitly advocate for the criminalization of their livelihoods. — NOS4A2
Yes, I should have said grooming (I don't like the sound of the word), their narratives have been groomed. I don't think the true narrative is problematic in this instance because the strategy (to reduce transmission) simply requires social distancing, the stay at home narrative is simple, obvious and can be seen to work. Here in the UK there are government announcements in all media all day stating;I'm always wary of assigning positions to 'brainwashing'. Not because it's not appropriate, but because I don't think it's helpful.
Interestingly this crisis shines a light on the flaws in our accepted status quo. Our lifestyles are peppered with failings like air pollution deaths, exploitation of the less well off and foreign farmers, destruction of the environment etc. etc. When one thinks about this state of affairs (and I think more people will do at a time like this), one can see how our governance, regulation, social norms etc are imperfect and such failings are inevitable and inertia within the systems and belief systems makes it hard for do gooders to affect change.You're right about the signal that's driving this, but with 7 million premature deaths linked to air pollution, the same could be said of anyone driving their car into the town centre. With 1.9 million deaths from diarrhoeal diseases directly related to poverty, the same could be said of anyone not paying a fair price for agricultural products from developing countries. It comes down to beliefs about the weight of responsibility vs autonomy.
Yes the media and social norms are propagating groomed narratives in the UK, for example the grooming that socialism is destructive and conservatism is fiscally responsible by comparison has been ingrained in the social discourse for more than a generation and is seen as normality, truth. But when one takes a closer look there is a continuous stream of propaganda required to maintain this bias. Propaganda which would not be required if it were the truth it's purported to be. Whereas in reality that conservatism has resulted in a hollowing out of the welfare state, underfunding of local councils and civil resources, greater wealth inequality and exploitation of the not wealthy by profiteering capitalists. The propaganda is also utilised to distract attention on these inequalities and sweep the truth under the carpet.Is it such a juxtaposition though? I see what you mean, but the responsible media (and even scientists) are not made up of people magically immune from influence by their social groups. We shouldn't mistake the clear boundaries to reasonable belief created by science for a guide to 'right' belief. It's not the same thing at all.
Its not clear at this stage how many folk in the UK are fundamentalists, the light has only just started shining on them and they are hiding in the shadows. The one at the top of government has been flushed out, fortunately, Dominic Cummings, who has become irrelevant and presumably doesn't want to get his hands dirty with having to do some real work and help with the logistical nightmare of this crisis. The two main groups of fundamentalists have gone quiet, I suspect that one of them the middle class who fell for the anti EU rhetoric are beginning to wake up a bit to their maliability.The point is that I think feeling one's life (or those of ones close social group) is at risk really undercuts beliefs which were held only for convenience, but it does not dent those which were held fundamentally. I guess America has more fundamentalists.
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