Bernie Bros are pissed on Twitter that Elizabeth Warren hasn’t backed out and given Bernie his supporters, as if she wasn’t his opponent in an election. I now prefer Warren and will be rooting for her from her on out.

We need people who do understand which pieces of legislation have resulted in unnecessarily and quantifiably harming so many Americans. We need people to understand which people voted for and against these pieces of legislation. Some decimated much of the middle class by virtue of decimating the opportunity to seek and acquire gainful employment; the good jobs for good workers; the kinds of employment that provided the resources by virtue of sharing the profits with the workers in much broader fashion that the current norms.

A trustworthy government does everything in it's power to make sure it is able to provide it's people with trustworthy markets, patrons, businesses, and all other services being provided by the American marketplace. This most certainly includes trustworthy money lenders for those in need. A trustworthy government does everything in it's power to ensure that it's citizens are not being systemically taken advantage of by any individual or group of individuals who wield such power... over and over and over again...

A trustworthy government does everything in it's power to protect and serve the best interests of the people, and this must include cultivating a socio-economic landscape with the most possible good trustworthy opportunities for those who want to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps(as many as possible if and when there are conflicts).

One measure of a government's worth to it's own people is the size of the aforementioned wealth gap. The greater the gap between the least and the most fortunate circumstances an American can be born into... the less worthy the government is to it's own people... especially when we're talking about a representative form of like the American republic.

Fixing that huge wealth gap requires reversing and/or correcting all of the previous pieces of legislation that paved the road. That requires electing and keeping enough individuals focusing upon the right sorts of change...

You see...

Not just any change will do, and that's what really chaps my ass about a long standing pronouncement of "getting things done". No one has swatted that shit into the stands as it ought and need be.

Where's Rodman when you need him?

Why is Russia supporting Warren?

Why is Russia supporting Warren?

Because Europe supports Bernie.

Why is Russia supporting Trump?

Why is Russia supporting Trump?

We're gluttons for punishment, I suppose.

Why is Russia supporting Trump?

We're gluttons for punishment, I suppose. — NOS4A2

More like he serves your geopolitical interests. Your dear leader, V.P., is no fool.

Yes we love a strong American economy, military and energy independence. It’s bound to help out the motherland.

Bernie Bros are pissed on Twitter that Elizabeth Warren hasn’t backed out and given Bernie his supporters, as if she wasn’t his opponent in an election. — NOS4A2

Is it that difficult to comprehend that people care about policy first and foremost and don't think of elections as reality TV shows?

Is it that difficult to comprehend that people care about policy first and foremost and don't think of elections as reality TV shows?

Anyone who wants Warren to back out so as to syphon her voters to Bernie is concerned about seeking power, not policy. Warren is a capitalist and believes in markets.

Anyone who wants Warren to back out so as to syphon her voters to Bernie is concerned about seeking power, not policy — NOS4A2

It's about accruing and consolidating power with which to leverage and enact policy, how are you so bad at this?

It's about accruing and consolidating power with which to leverage and enact policy, how are you so bad at this?

That’s easy to say when the power would be consolidated under the candidate you prefer. It’s not a strategy so much as it is simply complaining that you are not getting the votes you want.

That’s easy to say when the power would be consolidated under the candidate you prefer. It’s not a strategy so much as it is simply complaining that you are not getting the votes you want. — NOS4A2

No, it's easy when there are clear and notable ideological and policy overlaps between the two, and only one has a viable path of victory in the primary that was very clearly reflected in the polls for the last several months, which then, surprise surprise, played out last night. You're a fan of Trump, so I understand how you can only perceive politics as a sort of reality TV game show in which voters are only interested in candidates irrespective of any policy, but in fact many voters actual care about primarily about policies that affect their material well-being and vote based on which candidate promises to enact those policies.

According a recent Morning Consult poll 40% of Warren supporters name Sanders as their second choice (35% of Sanders supporters name Warren as their second choice, which makes sense because she's nearest to him policy-wise). Let's assume that increases to 50% had Warren dropped out and endorsed Sanders on Monday night, as the other moderates did for Biden (apparently not a strategy?). Had that been the case, it's quite likely that Sanders would have won Texas, Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Maine instead of Biden.

No, it's easy when there are clear and notable ideological and policy overlaps between the two, and only one has a viable path of victory in the primary that was very clearly reflected in the polls for the last several months, which then, surprise surprise, played out last night. You're a fan of Trump, so I understand how you can only perceive politics as a sort of reality TV game show in which voters are only interested in candidates irrespective of any policy, but in fact many voters actual care about primarily about policies that affect their material well-being and vote based on which candidate promises to enact those policies.

According a recent Morning Consult poll 40% of Warren supporters name Sanders as their second choice (35% of Sanders supporters name Warren as their second choice, which makes sense because she's nearest to him policy-wise). Let's assume that increases to 50% had Warren dropped out and endorsed Sanders on Monday night, as the other moderates did for Biden (apparently not a strategy?). Had that been the case, it's quite likely that Sanders would have won Texas, Minnesota, Massachusetts, and Maine instead of Biden.

Sure, counterfactually Warren's supporters may have switched to Sanders on her dropping out. I think that's a fair assumption. Frankly, I'd much rather see a strong, demonstrably left-wing party myself, especially while watching the incestuous political triangulation of the likes of Biden and Buttigeg, and between the Democrats and Republicans pre-Trump.

But as of now Warren is still in the race. So none of that matters; she is still Sanders' opponent. The idea that she should have dropped out in order to help Sanders' chances is the sort of anti-democratic power-grubbing that essentially ended Sanders' chances the last time.

Why is Russia supporting Trump? — fdrake

Because he's bad for America, bad for democracy, bad for capitalism and liberal social democracy. He's the best trojan horse a dictator like Putin could ever dream of. (Incidentally, this is also why, at least according to rumor, the Kremlin is rooting for Sanders - they know that if Sanders is the nominee, Trump will win a second term.)

Maybe. I've not enough reliable true information at my fingertips in order to draw such a conclusion. — creativesoul

Hmmm, I was just basing it on her running a VERY anti-billionaire campaign. There is only one other anti-billionaire candidate.

Namely, I do not know what will be the determining factor guiding Warren's decision, one way or the other. — creativesoul

Well that is fair. We have no reason to know for sure what will drive her decision. But if we look at her decision based on the ideology of the campaign she has been running for the last year, we can conclude that she is giving up on deeply held beliefs for the sake of a personal dislike (or the drive for personal glory, but she can't possibly still think she has a chance)...I am happy to use a word like hypocrite for such actions.

it showed beyond all reasonable doubt that the primary motivating factor for her was not 'fixing the broken/rigged system'. — creativesoul

A good point. As you say, it shows her primary motivators are not really what she talks about when campaigning...which is strange.

Clinton has ties to the 2008 financial scam. She also had their(the financial sector) full support... as does president Trump... as did president Obama... as did president Bush Jr... as did president Clinton... as did president Bush Sr... as did Ronald Reagan...

...as does vice-president Biden... — creativesoul

:up: So you understand my confusion at Warren's efforts to hinder Bernie's chances of success (and therefor her own supposedly deeply held beliefs' and goals' chances of success).

A band of sisters... perhaps? — creativesoul

That seems a fair assessment...but for this cycle I would complain that her campaign was far more focused on economic equality than the struggles of women (she definitely touches on women's issues...but I would struggle to identify anything but economics as her driving ideology).

Biden is not a sister though. — creativesoul

Yep, she doesn't have the band of sisters option this time. It will be interesting to see what she does...but disappointment is the new normal for leftist politics in this country (which is WAY better than my previous feelings of no hope at all. In recent years, I can at least get excited that things might change, but so far it has only resulted in disappointment).

Because he's bad for America, bad for democracy, bad for capitalism and liberal social democracy. He's the best trojan horse a dictator like Putin could ever dream of. (Incidentally, this is also why, at least according to rumor, the Kremlin is rooting for Sanders - they know that if Sanders is the nominee, Trump will win a second term.) — Wayfarer

It's quite simple.

They know that the more polarized the US is, the better for them.

At least Bernie gets the point totally clearly:

“Let’s be clear, the Russians want to undermine American democracy by dividing us up and, unlike the current president, I stand firmly against their efforts, and any other foreign power that wants to interfere in our election.”

Sanders also suggested some of the online vitriol frequently blamed on his supporters may be coming from Russia. “Some of the ugly stuff on the internet attributed to our campaign may well not be coming from real supporters,” Sanders said.

See article Bernie Sanders briefed by US officials that Russia is trying to aid his campaign

Bernie is right behind Joe, with a less than a million vote difference, and we still have about 60% of delegates left to go. — Maw

The fix is already in. The deal's done. My condolences to the Bernie fans on the board. Note also that the mythical youth vote didn't bother to show up. Of course a lot can happen between now and the convention so we shall see. But there's no way to spin Super Tuesday as anything but a shocking defeat for not only Bernie, but also all the AOC-backed Congressional candidates. The Dem voters have rejected ultra leftism.

Most of the Western world has those policies and has no problems paying for them. There's nothing unrealistic about them. — Benkei

Yeah yeah Denmark population 5 million. Britain's NHS is a total horror show disaster. Canada's too. I'll take the opposite side of the "free health care free college free everything" debate if you please.

Canada's too — fishfry

Ah yes, another amazing piece of statistical analysis from the "American Thinker" by a blogger considering one single anecdote compared to the alternative course of events in the US that he simply imagines.

Uhh... that's really misrepresenting it. Basically, the US has the same system as the majority of Africa and a couple of failed (middle) Eastern States.

overview universal healthcare in the world

The NHS is set up differently than other European countries. Part of the reason why it's struggling is because conservative governments keep reducing funding increases (it still increases but at a much lower rates) and lowering taxes, making it appear as if it becomes disproportionaly more expensive as part of the budget.

The fix is already in. The deal's done. My condolences to the Bernie fans on the board. — fishfry

Of course a lot can happen between now and the convention so we shall see. — fishfry

These types of posts are so funny.

The Dem voters have rejected ultra leftism. — fishfry

I think they were trying to reject Trump. Closing ranks is the way to do that. We'll see if the left side of the party is wise enough to realize that.

Unless Bernie is delusional, I think he knows there's no way to get funding for his ambitions. I'm left wondering what he was really trying to accomplish.

If 2008 had led to a depression, and then the Bernie/Trump conflict unfolded, it would have been an epic battle for the future of the US. Real fascism vs real socialism.

Unless Bernie is delusional, I think he knows there's no way to get funding for his ambitions. I'm left wondering what he was really trying to accomplish. — frank

A change in the general consensus of thought regarding what the government ought be doing for Americans...

He knows it is not a quick fix. Most people, it seems, do not realize that.

change in the general consensus of thought regarding what the government ought be doing for Americans... — creativesoul

I heard him say a couple of times that without an energizing message, Democrats would lose to Trump. He sees himself as the best option for beating Trump.

So in the process, bring universal healthcare in as a dominant theme. Makes sense. It was a two edged sword, though.

He knows it is not a quick fix. Most people, it seems, do not realize that. — creativesoul

Should we get Obamacare back on track? Or reach further?

Super Tuesday post-analysis leaves me frazzled.

Warren is out.

I hope Bernie gets the bump he needs.

The fix is already in. The deal's done. My condolences to the Bernie fans on the board. Note also that the mythical youth vote didn't bother to show up. Of course a lot can happen between now and the convention so we shall see. But there's no way to spin Super Tuesday as anything but a shocking defeat for not only Bernie, but also all the AOC-backed Congressional candidates. The Dem voters have rejected ultra leftism. — fishfry

I'm starting to think this way myself.

I'm even starting to think that all the silly wokeness is a way to crush the left luring it away from the important question. Forget the bluecollar worker and health care, let's talk about trans rights etc.

I don't think the Dems were so alarmed by the leftism of Bernie themselves, they were afraid that Bernie would become a similarly divisive as Jeremy Corbyn in Britain. That many otherwise democrat sanctuaries would turn into surprising Trump support. This is why the gang up against Bernie.

And likely Bernie will do what he did in 2016: give support to Joe as he did the last time with Hillary.

The Good Loser. Same repeat now with Joe coming soon.


And btw. has anybody else noticed that Joe Biden is a lot like Walter Mondale?

Oh, oh, oh! And back then Mondale had Ferraro! How progressive!

And likely Bernie will do what he did in 2016: give support to Joe as he did the last time with Hillary.

The Good Loser. Same repeat now with Joe coming soon. — ssu

Yup. Bernie has the heart but not the cojones. Just like he let Hillary off the hook on her email scandal He should have hit her hard on her corruption and carelessness with classified documents. He should hit Joe hard on his corruption. There's a debate coming up soon, we'll see if Bernie wants it or not.

I think they were trying to reject Trump. Closing ranks is the way to do that. We'll see if the left side of the party is wise enough to realize that. — frank

Every AOC-backed candidate lost. Cenk Uygur, running to fill Katie Hill's vacates House seat, lost badly. Leftist candidates lost to centrists nationwide. It could mean nothing or it could be that we've reached peak Woke and the voters have had enough. We'll find out.

One interesting take I read is that the Dems might have been wrong to coalesce around Biden. The GOPs failed to coalesce to stop Trump, but Trump won the general election. There's something to be said for that. Getting behind senile and corrupt old Joe will be a disaster.