I see why it means: democracy is not perfect, but I'm not sure why you're saying it doesn't work... — VagabondSpectre
And the reason that the articles have not been forwarded, is because Schumer and McConnell haven't been able to agree on the rules — Wayfarer
The suggestion that Trump has not really been impeached because the articles haven’t been sent to the Senate is just another of the lies being told by the GoP.
That idea has left much of the legal academy unconvinced, including Laurence H. Tribe, one of Professor Feldman’s colleagues at Harvard. “The argument is textually bizarre, historically inaccurate, structurally misguided and functionally misleading,” Professor Tribe said.
Professor Feldman was one of three constitutional scholars to testify in favor of impeachment before the House Judiciary Committee this month. Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University and the sole scholar invited by Republicans to testify against impeachment at that hearing, also disagreed with Professor Feldman.
’Mr. Trump was impeached on Wednesday’ Professor Turley said. “Article I, Section 2 says that the House ‘shall have the sole power of impeachment.’ It says nothing about a requirement of referral to complete that act.”
Impeachment isn’t complete’ - no contest. But Trump has been impeached by the House. Even if he is ultimately acquitted, as Clinton was, he still will be an impeached President, as Clinton is. — Wayfarer
Mr. Trump was impeached on Wednesday’ Professor Turley said. “Article I, Section 2 says that the House ‘shall have the sole power of impeachment.’ It says nothing about a requirement of referral to complete that act.”
The truth is obvious here. The House accomplished something the Senate will undo, so they want to delay it or possibly stop it by complaining the Senate can't be fair. It's all politics, so hop off your high horse and just admit both sides are just selling different brands of bullshit but you prefer Brand D over R.You exemplify the Republican duplicity with exquisite eloquence. — Wayfarer
the separation if powers — Hanover
It's in the Constitution. - as the scholar I quoted says ‘the House shall have the whole power of impeachment’. The Constitution says nothing about referral to the Senate to complete this act. — Wayfarer
wonder... Is it a crime to violate an oath to be an impartial juror in an impeachment trial? — VagabondSpectre
when Mitch says he is going to take a steaming shit on the congress by biasing the judicial process in the senate, it's actually a constitutional crisis for which there is neither precedent nor obvious solution. — VagabondSpectre
the lower house found that the president abused power and obstructed congress(and once they transmit the articles), is the senate not obligated to orchestrate a fair judicial process to get to the bottom of it? — VagabondSpectre
Very nicely put.Abuse of power is what got us here in the first place. You can call it a "political process" like Mitch McConnell et al., but in reality when he turns around and says "I'm not an impartial juror, and I will take cues from the president's defense lawyers", it unambiguously undermines the whole separation of powers line that republicans love to flout. — VagabondSpectre
You sort of made up the thing about Senators taking an oath to be impartial jurors. They represent those who elected them. — Hanover
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
I wonder... Is it a crime to violate an oath to be an impartial juror in an impeachment trial? — VagabondSpectre
Dereliction of one's solemnly sworn duty... — creativesoul
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