Better still to recognise the truth of your first sentence. If you apply it to the second, you may see that you can't recognise a fantasy, nor tell fantasy from 'reality'. That is my point. — Pattern-chaser
I [...] have a good grasp of the real and the imaginary. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
True that reality is a collective hunch. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
How? — Pattern-chaser
You grasp Objective Reality by logic and reason? Lucky this topic concerns the supernatural, then. You are clearly much loved by the Gods, to have given you such power. Power they withhold from all other men. — Pattern-chaser
Their belief is costing you your hard earned dollars.
Do you like to pay for someone else's fantasy? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Nothing that I know of, other than personal renderings or hear say, has ever been produced or provide to show the existence of a supernatural realm or entities. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
If there is no supernatural god, should we not seek a human leader or spiritual guide instead of idolizing imaginary supernatural gods that are demonstrably less moral than humans? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
If there is no supernatural god, should we not seek a human leader or spiritual guide instead of idolizing imaginary supernatural gods that are demonstrably less moral than humans? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Wouldn't physical evidence of the supernatural prove it's physical and therefore natural? — Hanover
No supernatural gods, no evidence, nothing, but they are ‘demonstrably' less moral than humans? — Brett
Their belief is costing you your hard earned dollars.
Do you like to pay for someone else's fantasy? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
You’ll need to explain that to me. — Brett
Wouldn't physical evidence of the supernatural prove it's physical and therefore natural? — Hanover
Does the name Stephan Hoeller mean anything to you? — Wayfarer
No supernatural gods, no evidence, nothing, but they are ‘demonstrably’ less moral than humans? — Brett
The tax exempt and tax breaks that religion enjoy is in the 80 billon a year range in the U.S alone.
What they save and keep has to be made up by the general public otherwise that 80 odd billion would cause a deficit.
You and I are members of the general public and like it or not, we are both subsidizing religions though/with our tax cash. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Believer or not, you are paying for lying clergy to continue lying. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Is belief in the supernatural an intelligent person’s game?
Still better to not add to the objective reality by adding a fantasy that one must believe in to be saved. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
How? — Pattern-chaser
By applying logic and reason of course. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
You grasp Objective Reality by logic and reason? Lucky this topic concerns the supernatural, then. You are clearly much loved by the Gods, to have given you such power. Power they withhold from all other men. — Pattern-chaser
Why did you ignore my question and returned with this garbage instead? — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Well, who cares? — Brett
Funny folks, the faithful. — god must be atheist
Just responding in kind, young friend.
Live long and prosper! — Pattern-chaser
Are you better than the natural, non-human world? — yupamiralda
Does the name Stephan Hoeller mean anything to you?
— Wayfarer
Yes. I have listened to some of his work and agree with a lot of it. Not all though, although I cannot recall what I did not agree with him on. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
should we not seek a human leader or spiritual guide — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Well, who cares?
— Brett
Gays, women, and all others who are discriminated against without a just cause. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
We have no idea how close we are, knowledge wise, to all that can be known and what can be done. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
Actually we can have somewhat justified beliefs about things we do not know. It is not binary, even in science. There are degrees of evidence and models that we use that imply things that we have not yet demonstrated, and then individuals can know things that they cannot prove to others, and more.Speculative nonsense is all we can have of what we do not know, especially of the supernatural. — Gnostic Christian Bishop
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