None of the above makes any reasonable sense because the false assumption is that there are “final causes”. There are no examples of final causes, yet we can label any moment we choose as the “final cause” or the “first cause” without any actual knowledge of some presumed (and ONLY presumed) absolute cause of reality. — I like sushi
“Purpose” is a human perspective. We cannot talk of the ‘teleology’ of the universe unless we are simply referring to our intersubjective take in the universe - as some proposed ‘noumenal body’ we cannot in any sense REASONABLY talk about the teleology of the universe (to do so is anthropomorphism disguised as omnipresent insight). — I like sushi
Fundamentally speaking we don’t know if the universe has a ‘beginning’ or not. We simply assume so because being finite beings we assume everything else has a start and end because that happens to be the manner in which we appreciate existence (or rather what ‘existence’ is to us as humans). — I like sushi
We cannot be other than human and the universe isn’t human just because we only know if this concept via human conception. — I like sushi
Mixing mysticism with logic doesn’t work. Mysticism is illogical. If it wasn’t it’d be called logic not mysticism. — I like sushi
Fundamentally speaking, the universe has a beginning and a sufficiently reasoned reason for existing as opposed to not existing, and a sufficiently reasoned reason for existing in one form as opposed to another
And anyone who asserts that there is no reason or cause for the existence of things either has no cause or reason for asserting this, or he has. In the first case, his assertion is no truer than its converse; and in the second, he establishes by his very assertion the fact that there are causes or reasons for the existences of things.
In the process of thinking and acting, the reason for our thinking and acting, which is to obtain our intended conceptual destination in thought or action, — TheGreatArcanum
It seems that you didn't read the whole thing, — TheGreatArcanum
I have a question.And anyone who asserts that there is no reason or cause for the existence of things either has no cause or reason for asserting this, or he has. In the first case, his assertion is no truer than its converse; — TheGreatArcanum
Isn't the one who doesn't have cause or reason for his assertion, his assertion being that there isn't cause or reason for things, proving his assertion by example? — Shamshir
Sure one can. It's called making noise, innit?one can’t speak without having a reason for speaking, nor speak on behalf of a particular position without doing so. — TheGreatArcanum
So first, "we shouldn't make this statement as if it's something universally applicable" doesn't imply that it's never applicable. In other words, an example of it being applicable wouldn't suffice to make a universal statement. — Terrapin Station
Secondly, and I'll leave it at this for the moment, because it's best if we tackle just one thing at a time, "to drink" isn't necessarily a conceptual "destination" is it? — Terrapin Station
Secondly, I didn't see much of inquiry here. Did you have questions about this philosophy or were you just putting it up looking for counter statements? — Josh Alfred
because if there exists a single first cause, in any sense of the word, the physical chain of causation which supports hard-determinism is non-existent — TheGreatArcanum
Sure one can. It's called making noise, innit? — Shamshir
So once again, in the spirit of pausing when something questionable is said, what would any support for that statement be? — Terrapin Station
Which is equal to having no purpose.making noises for the purpose of making noise — TheGreatArcanum
Is it? Or is it just babble? Am I trying to accomplish something, or just mindlessly chattering away whatever comes to mind, because why not? Maybe both!proving to someone that you don’t need a reason for doing someone which is in itself a reason — TheGreatArcanum
you have so understand the nature of materialism, which suggest that the causal chain is without beginning and without end and without disruption, — TheGreatArcanum
Where are you getting this from? Materialism only posits that the world is solely comprised of material (and (dynamic) relations of material). Materialists can have any view of "first causes," causality in general, etc. — Terrapin Station
Which is equal to having no purpose. — Shamshir
Is just making noises.making noises for the purpose of making noises — TheGreatArcanum
a first cause isn't born out of physicality, but the lack thereof, — TheGreatArcanum
Why? Why not? — Shamshir
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