As for my thoughts about OP, It's not interesting. Most of the posters on this thread are just really immature. StreetlightX @Banno @christian2017 @Maw and maybe I missed a few are guilty of the same thing as OP which is taking an extremely complicated and large thing like a religion being followed by a billion people or the West and taking a sliver of truth as using that to create venomous generalisations. — Judaka
Othering.
They are not us. We don't do this shit.
That's the PM's excuse for Australia producing a nationalistic terrorist.
And so he does not have to admit his culpability in the crime, despite years of presenting the sort of thing found in the OP here. — Banno
Oh, and also, our PM, Scott Morrison, is a shitbag enabler who is most certainly culpable - though not alone - for fostering the kind of environment in which the shooter became who he is — StreetlightX
My position is that Australia is riven with all kind of systemic and cultural issues such as rape, domestic violence, murderous treatment of minorities and immigrants and all the rest of it. Your word salad of a translation of this is senseless and doesn't even get the subject of the sentence right (hint: it's 'Australia'), let alone anything else. Get the grammar right and maybe there's a discussion to be had. — StreetlightX
The Muslim jihadists continue to make the claim that they are morally superior to the West. — Ilya B Shambat
but on the basis of values and institutions that actually make the West superior to the Muslims. — Ilya B Shambat
The West does not have people throwing sulfuric acid into girls' faces for going to school. — Ilya B Shambat
The West has free speech. — Ilya B Shambat
The West has women's rights. — Ilya B Shambat
The West has a lot of people working around the globe to extend to others development, opportunity and education. — Ilya B Shambat
And that, instead of practicing a defensive posture or some sort of religious me-tooism — Ilya B Shambat
The West's moral superiority comes from free speech. It comes from democracy. — Ilya B Shambat
Further, the Muslim people owe a lot to America and the rest of the West. If not for the Western democracies, the Middle East as well as the rest of the world would be practicing Communism; and that means that they would not be able to practice Islam at all. — Ilya B Shambat
The West is morally superior to the Islamic world. And it is time that more people say so outright. — Ilya B Shambat
My own 2 cents is that this dumb as fuck thread should be closed. Go to 4chan or some shit to spew this Islamophobic stupidity, not here. — Maw
The Muslim jihadists continue to make the claim that they are morally superior to the West. It is time that this claim be addressed [...] on the basis of values and institutions that actually make the West superior to the Muslims. — Ilya B Shambat
Yet you seldom hear anyone referring to the fact that both Christianity and Islam are Abrahamic religions. — ssu
a few are guilty of the same thing as OP which is taking an extremely complicated and large thing like a religion being followed by a billion people or the West and taking a sliver of truth as using that to create venomous generalisations. I call this problem an issue of interpretative relevance and the named people don't even attempt to be balanced or nuanced, it's shameful. — Judaka
Live in a basement with underdeveloped social skills — Anaxagoras
The OP, which is clearly nothing like your list and can be generally summarised as anti-Islamic sentiment. — Judaka
What do you think the relationship between Australian culture and rape/domestic violence is? — Judaka
Are you saying that Banno, StreetlightX, and Maw all live in the same basement? Or separate ones? — frank
The OP is exactly like 'my list'. It's an effort to encourage a cultural and religious pissing contest where a full one sixth of the human population is declared inferior — StreetlightX
For all things that one or another person does wrong, the Western system has produced far better results than has the Muslim system. — Ilya B Shambat
I think that those societies would do well to adopt Christianity instead of Islam. That way they will have social stability without it being based on a terrible ideology that, among other things, promises boys in heaven. — Ilya B Shambat
Your interpretations are charming as always, isn't he arguing it's the religion and culture which is inferior and not every practitioner? — Judaka
Even if Morrison was saying or encouraging others to say or think that Islam is an inferior culture and religion (isn't this covered by "disliking Islam" how did I get lambasted for that?) he still isn't culpable for an environment which creates mass murderers. He didn't incite violence, he didn't condone violence and you and others like you are just utilising the tragedy to increase the punch of the condemning of a practice you don't like. — Judaka
Do I need to keep quiet any problems I have with any culture and religion? — Judaka
This is a philosophy forum and I would at least expect someone to construct a philosophical argument at least partially academic for their approach to the subject. But no, this is the ramblings of some nut job who most likely will go to a mosque and kill another 50 people. — Anaxagoras
You're naive in the extreme if you think a person's beliefs and ways of life are not intimately constitutive of who they are, and that comments on the former do not in anyway bear on the latter. — StreetlightX
Correct, I am condemning the murder of 50 people and the conditions which lead to it, as should anyone who isn't a complete wanker. Which includes enablers like Morrison and his dog whistling fuckery. But of course, this isn't a conversation you're capable of having, having proudly flaunted your deliberate ignorance of politics, as though this was not a mark of deep shame. What you say about Morrison has no standing. You kicked your own stool away from yourself. — StreetlightX
Not at all. All religion should get fucked as far as I'm concerned, including Islam. The problem with the OP isn't that it 'has problems with a culture and religion'; it's that it conceptualizes them in ways so thin and shallow as to be not only useless but actively harmful. Anyone who wants to talk about religion and culture without at the same time talking economics, politics, and social conditions is a priori ruled out of having anything meaningful whatsoever to say. The OP presents a shallow story for piddling minds. — StreetlightX
You know what, you actually think there's a rape culture in Australia, I am done wasting my time talking to you. Fxdrake or whatever his name is, another mod on this forum is a similarly poor thinker who utilises unreasonable, hostile interpretations for political leverage, just like you. I can't help but think there is an explanation but maybe it's just a coincidence. — Judaka
You're the worst of the lot. Have you ever made a post on this forum which wasn't about racism, sexism or anti-Islamic sentiment? — Judaka
Do you really think it's "most likely" our poster is a Christian terrorist, or is this post just more hyperbole devoid of philosophical or academic value? — Hanover
I say this largely disagreeing with the OP, feeling it's really knee jerk reaction to well publicized accounts of Muslim terrorism on Western targets and the obvious observation that many Muslim nations are in undeveloped parts of the world. — Hanover
but I think we shouldn't be dismissive of the question of whether there is something about Islam that has left its followers in nations centuries behind the West in so many areas of development. — Hanover
A woman's role in those societies, for example, is not at all acceptable to us in Western countries. — Hanover
I think it's also a waste of time to yell back at them calling them murderers. Our poster poses no threat to anyone. — Hanover
But no, this is the ramblings of some nut job who most likely will go to a mosque and kill another 50 peopl — Anaxagoras
Terrorist no. But it is the type of sensationalist asinine approach to another faith that can develop extremist tendencies or attract others with extremist tendencies. This "we are better than you mentality" is the kind of element extremists especially those on the right side of politics love. — Anaxagoras
Unfortunately a lot of people very often conflate western ideals with U.S. American ideals (I have been guilty of this) and tend to impart the common uneducated misappropriate rant that Americans here often do. — Anaxagoras
The whole "the west is better because" then followed by redundant and rhetorical reasons is not an attractive approach. In addition, to castigate an entire faith for the actions of a few (out of 1.8 billion Muslims Muslim terrorism is a few in comparison to the hundreds to the billion) leaves open to the whataboutisms for other faiths. — Anaxagoras
Now, I don't like to do a kill count but I'm quite sure both historically and presently, Christianity has killed more than any other faith in the history of mankind. — Anaxagoras
I don't think it's forgotten at all, but it forms the common basis for blaming the West for the terrorism exacted upon it by Muslims when it does occur.People forget that Western powers have a hand in influencing whole governments to rebel against their leads and there have been western powers that have abandoned people (the very people they originally had supported) and leaving them like lambs to the slaughter. — Anaxagoras
The same is like that here as well. Whenever we discuss women's rights online a lot of white men seem to be up in arms about why we need to discuss women's rights then most certainly it turns into a shouting match of who is the most oppressed or why we can't force a women to have a baby when she wants an abortion because she was raped and so forth. Yes socially we are improved but we are in no moral position to wag our finger at someone. — Anaxagoras
What you hear about is of a Judeo-Christian heritage from Christians.ou seldomly don't hear (from Christians) that Islam and Christianity are Abrahamic religions you mean. — Anaxagoras
I don't think all Saudi's have it so bad.I'm willing to grant that Islam itself is not the problem, but we can't deny the obvious superiority of life in the US than in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, or even Pakistan and those people's reliance upon their religion to support their continued way of life. — Hanover
Anyone who wants to talk about religion and culture without at the same time talking economics, politics, and social conditions is a priori ruled out of having anything meaningful whatsoever to say. — StreetlightX
In a single breathe you condemn small minded stereotyping while also stereotyping how Americans tend to act. — Hanover
I'm not talking about the small number of terrorists, but the rather large number of Muslims living under theocratic rule. — Hanover
It's been quite a few centuries that Christians killed in the name of Christianity. — Hanover
which was my point in referencing the fact that many of the Muslim nations are culturally primitive in terms of acceptance of basic human rights. — Hanover
I don't think it's forgotten at all, but it forms the common basis for blaming the West for the terrorism exacted upon it by Muslims when it does occur. — Hanover
You'll have to explain to me why a white male's opinion as to the treatment of women should be discounted because of race and gender. — Hanover
It sounds patently racist and sexist, but perhaps you meant something else. — Hanover
I also don't fully appreciate why women are in a superior position to know when human life begins and why women ought be the final authority of when an abortion is appropriate fetacide and not inappropriate infanticide, so that too needs further explaining. — Hanover
Regardless, what you describe in terms of Western sexism is child's play when compared to the relegated status of Muslim women in the Muslim world. — Hanover
t's one thing to debate the complex question of when life begins and quite another to institutionalize male superiority through law. — Hanover
It is entirely possible to separate this out between primitive culture versus primitive religion, with the West's adoption of Christianity making Christianity appear more sophisticated simply because it is the ideology of the more sophisticated peoples. — Hanover
What you hear about is of a Judeo-Christian heritage from Christians.
Perhaps some Finnish Bishop might talk about both being Abrahamic religions, but then again he (or she) is here a semi-official here as there is no clear separation of Church and state. — ssu
I'm an American. I've observed Americans at their best and their worse. In the United States, many citizens are guilty of this. For example, shortly after 9/11 U.,S. citizens were targeting people of Indian descent because they felt that Indians from India who wore turbans were Muslim. The Indian community had to explain, listen, they had to explain that their turban was a custom in their faith and had no barring on the Islamic religion. All because Americans thought with one broad stroke of a brush assumed people who wore turbans were Muslim. So yes, I do stereotype on a behavior that is quite common here in the states. — Anaxagoras
Be specific. Can't presuppose a plausible statement if you cannot substantiate that with evidence. There are plenty Muslim dominated countries. But, to help you out, let look at countries with theocracies:
Vatican
Mauritania
Iran
Sudan
Yemen
Afghanistan
highlighting the bold are you saying those five Muslim countries sponsor terrorism because they're theocratic, if so why isn't the Vatican not a part of it? Or were you inferring something else? — Anaxagoras
Are you implying that there isn't a continuance of killings in the name of Christianity? I can name several white nationalist organizations whose Christian faith is a proponent of their beliefs, and they tend to commit criminal acts, and religion is among those as the reason for their acts. But I'll wait for your interpretation of the above quote. — Anaxagoras
Which nations that are Muslim are primitive or are you generalizing? — Anaxagoras
A great example of this is the Nation of Islam. Due to racism and racist laws many black Americans had no voice nor any rights or protections under the law. If you live a life of oppression all you need is a charismatic leader to influence you that the "white man" is the devil and that you are a divine people. Train a distressed people with discipline, pervert sacred texts for one's own gain, and demonize a target you can create an extremist organization. So yes the western powers do have a hand in this indeed and yes this is why many Muslims even those straddling the moderate to extreme fence believe. — Anaxagoras
Reading is indeed fundamental. Stop reading into things with cognitive dissonance and read, if I wanted to be racist and insult the white demographic I wouldn't use jargon nor waste time writing an entire paragraph. Jesus, read. — Anaxagoras
Who said this above bullshit? I didn't infer such things. Bro, on another note a woman's body is her body she ultimately has the final say so. until we men start giving birth through a a potential third canal or something crazy we have no say so on what a woman should do with her body no matter how unfair it seems. When you have a full breathing human come out of you then you can determine the fate of such a human. but again we are getting away from the subject. — Anaxagoras
This so-called leader who espouses in glee that he grabs women by the genitalia and that we still have a base that sees nothing wrong with this is alarming. With that being said the finger wagging towards Muslims and their respective countries is like our way of introducing pot and kettle. — Anaxagoras
See, you're no different...So miss me with the "I largely disagree with the OP bullshit. You're full of shit just like the author that wrote this. Christianity is sophisticated huh for sophisticated people? The fuck out of here...I need not responding to the rest of the bullshit you wrote. — Anaxagoras
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