My philosophical views are mostly dualist — Jonathan AB

One can take a spiritual, mental, emotional and physical position that Mind (consciousness) and Matter are the same just moving in different directions. Mind is creating (organizing against entropy using stored energy) while Matter has become deadened Mind (that is unable to organize, and this decaying).

Bergson took this position that Matter is deadened Mind as did Peirce. It avoids lots of problems and paradoxes that challenges dualism. Interestingly, the noted architect Louis I. Kahn spoke that matter is deadened light.

The most important answers being: poetry, humor, and courage. — Jonathan AB

Sounds good.

Matter is deadened Mind — Rich

That's stupid.

matter is deadened light — Rich

That's just as stupid, if not more so.

Matter has become deadened Mind — Rich

I imagine a dead and lifeless rock.

Then that 'deadness' of the rock is still only an illusion because
it is still a subset of my living mind. And yet, the very capacity
for thinking of a 'dead' illusion - suggests that 'deadness' is a
very real phenomena - how would it be possible to imagine something
that does not exist - unless it had at least the potential to exist?

And so monism yields back to a very real dualism.

The most important answers being: poetry, humor, and courage. — Jonathan AB

Correction - poetry, humor, competence, and courage.

Sounds like you will be fun to have around.

Then that 'deadness' of the rock is still only an illusion because
it is still a subset of my living mind. — Jonathan AB

The rock is not in your mind. It is a real quantum system wave pattern.

Welcome, because the most important questions are: What kind of stuff did Shelley write? What makes you able to laugh? What did Dorothy's lion lack?

Welcome to, .

The most important answers being: — Jonathan AB

Matter is deadened Mind
— Rich

That's stupid.

matter is deadened light
— Rich

That's just as stupid, if not more so. — Sapientia

Nice and direct.

BTW Jonathan AB from SA, welcome to TPF.

And so monism yields back to a very real dualism — Jonathan AB

I wonder where the binary thing about dualism comes from though. For me worlds are plural not dual. Nelson Goodman proposed what to me is a plausible way of accepting this while being analytical. Each world you propose needs to hold together on its own terms, or at least that is my version of Goodman. 'Imagine a world where...' So for instance, a scientised world holds together holistically; a Wittgensteinian world where we're only engaged in language-games holds together; a world confected by Rauschenberg Picasso and Cindy Sherman could hold together, if you entered into their visions sufficiently...and so on.

I don't get the 'two'-ness and indeed I'm Wittgensteinian on that. We're just being bewitched by language there. We speak, say, of 'sharp-tongued' people, and we don't mean they have sharp physical tongues. So how does one know that any given 'physical' description is 'really physical'. If only that one example holds up, how are we distinguishing this supposed binary difference between 'mental' and 'physical'?

Ask me anything!
Sadly I am deluded into thinking that I have all the answers.
The most important answers being: poetry, humor, and courage. — Jonathan AB

Well now. Everyone has been very welcoming and pleasant. Now it's time for you to make some specific assertions so we can start ridiculing you and treating you with scorn.

competence — T Clark

I could also add logic, and being indomitable.

The rock is not in your mind. It is a real quantum system wave pattern. — Rich

Are you suggesting that thinking is an act of objective observation,
and the object being 'thought of' always exists independently of the thinker?

Even if I imagine something nobody else had ever considered, then that
which is imagined is more real than that which is doing the imagining?

welcome — Bitter Crank

Hey there was nothing bitter or cranky in that comment!
Have you been cured of your melancholy by by my wit already?

time for you to make some specific assertions — T Clark

okidoki
Relativity is bogus,
the moon landings were faked,
the war on drugs is an atrocity of the proportions of the holocaust,
the medical insurance monopoly is a scam
most cancer can be cured by diet
motor-cars are evil
Jesus is the same archetype as Poseidon
I have discovered empirical evidence of alien intelligence
and
I have also designed a spacecraft which is the quickest route to the stars
and which most likely could reach a speed beyond the velocity of light

and I have a very big grin on my face because
all of those assertions are entirely serious

Are you suggesting that thinking is an act of objective observation,
and the object being 'thought of' always exists independently of the thinker? — Jonathan AB

The object is a wave pattern. It is real.

The mind is a wave pattern. It to is real.

The mind can reconstruct the wave pattern of the object and create a memory wave pattern which is also real. The memory wave patterns when changing give the sense of duration or time.

Everything is equal real, some some are shared and some are not.

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You'd have a lot to talk about with @Hachem! Scientifically minded scientific skepticism, only he was obsessed with optics.

The memory wave patterns when changing give the sense of duration or time. — Rich

But is the future real before we sense it?

I believe you. All those are obviously correct. — René Descartes

So you have seen my spacecraft design?

Nice and direct. — Bitter Crank

:smirk:

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You'd have a lot to talk about with Hachem! Scientifically minded scientific skepticism, only he was obsessed with optics — fdrake

I'll keep a lookout for him, thanks.

Of course, I am a psychic. — René Descartes

Me too.
I had a premonition - a really strong one about the boxing day tsunami,
about 9 months before it occurred. It was really odd - the first time I had tried to give
a reading for more than 10 years. Could not explain that with materialist psychology at all.

So you like my spaceship design, eh?
So how fast will a diamond spin before the centrifugal force rips it apart?
Assume a diamond 1meter x 10cm x 10cm.
(obviously artificial)

How close will that get to speed of light?
(or beyond that if you're not a relativist)

Me too.
I had a premonition - a really strong one about the boxing day tsunami,
about 9 months before it occurred. It was really odd - the first time I had tried to give
a reading for more than 10 years. Could not explain that with materialist psychology at all. — Jonathan AB

Is this humour? :chin:

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Is this humour? — Sapientia

If I get banned for saying it is not humor, then it is humor.

I think it will go beyond the speed of light. — René Descartes

Fantastic!
You win the prize which is to check-out the design that will take
humanity to the stars:



It should be a bit clearer to see the image, rather than the psychic impression.
Unless, of course, you are one of THOSE beings.

[Delete] @Baden

Nice, just as I pictured it in my mind. — René Descartes

Do you have a few billion dollars spare to help build it by any chance?
(Or even a few million to get started would be nice)
((or a publishing book-deal))