This is such a commonplace that it almost passes without critique.The nature of our mental lives, makes it impossible for us to inquire about the nature of others’ mental experiences, it is a private sphere, sealed off from outer examination. With this said, and holding in mind the fact that according to Dualists, the mind is totally distinct, and unrelated to the body, one stumbles upon some pretty strange conclusions that seem to inevitably follow. — rickyk95
As you can see, the difference between the physical and the mental is that the former is scientifically observable, from a third person perspective, while the latter is inherently a first person phenomenon. — rickyk95
Can this sort of thing be justified? — jorndoe
Why? Rather, a monist would reject that very distinction. The "must" is what a dualist might think the monist must do. Monists might well disagree. — Banno
A monist can no more reject a distinction between a mental state and a physical state than he can a cat and a dog. — Hanover
Indeed, a cat/dog dualist might insist on their being incommensurate. A cat/dog monist might insist that cats and dogs are both mammals.
These are not distinct epistemologies, so much as distinct ways of talking about cats and dogs. — Banno
there are literally millions of consistent reports of people having experienced out-of-body experiences that can be objectively verified — Sam26
Even if there are literally millions of consistent reports of people having experienced out-of-body experiences that can be objectively verified. — Sam26
Hey, a truly humorous depiction of an entire philosophical stance. Nice! — javra
What does that mean? That you learned that the cup is red in a different way to how you learn that I learned that the cup is red? — Banno
Did you learn about the cup and I, or did you learn about how we use the word "red"? — Banno
Obviously for me to label it red, I must know what "red" means. But if it had a peculiar odor for which I had no name, I'd just as much know that smell name or no name.Part of your learning that the cup is red is your learning how to use the word "red". — Banno
That supposed distinction between internal and external, subjective and objective, breaks down on close inspection. — Banno
It's interesting to me that those who don't believe that there is evidence that consciousness, for example, can survive the body, will not allow any experience count as evidence. Even if there are literally millions of consistent reports of people having experienced out-of-body experiences that can be objectively verified. I'm not talking about laboratory verification, but sensory experiences verified through testimonial evidence. I find that most of the arguments against this testimony to be fallacious (self-sealing). Why? Because even if the evidence is largely consistent, taken from a wide variety of subjects, can be objectively verified, it's still rejected out-of-hand. Unless one rejects testimonial evidence as a valid way of knowing, how can one reject the testimonial evidence as evidence for dualism? There is plenty of evidence of the dualistic nature of humans. People reject the evidence simply because it doesn't fit their narrative. I'm not saying they do it consciously, but it doesn't fit their world view. — Sam26
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