Truth Seeker

BC
But if:
• God creates the person,
• God creates their temperament,
• God creates their environment,
• God foreknows every outcome,
then ultimate moral responsibility cannot rest on the creature. — Truth Seeker
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Corvus
if God is real, — Truth Seeker
BC
We do make choices, but they are not free from the determinants, i.e. genes, environments, nutrients, and experiences. — Truth Seeker
then ultimate moral responsibility cannot rest on the creature.
Foreknown certainty + deliberate creation = responsibility — Truth Seeker
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Truth Seeker
Corvus
It's not really possible to prove or disprove Gods if they are outside the universe and don't interact with the universe we live in. I am an Agnostic Atheist. — Truth Seeker
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Corvus
Ecurb
• God creates the person,
• God creates their temperament,
• God creates their environment,
• God foreknows every outcome,
then ultimate moral responsibility cannot rest on the creature. — Truth Seeker
BC
And if one posits a self-originating Creator who set the entire chain in motion with full foresight, then the responsibility question moves upward, not downward. — Truth Seeker
The more we understand psychology, neuroscience, trauma, epigenetics, and social conditioning, the less coherent retributive blame becomes. — Truth Seeker
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Ecurb
However, predestination does preclude free will. Also, determinants (i.e. genes, environments, nutrients, and experiences) preclude free will because biological organisms do not choose all of their determin — Truth Seeker
Janus
However, predestination does preclude free will. Also, determinants (i.e. genes, environments, nutrients, and experiences) preclude free will because biological organisms do not choose all of their determin — Truth Seeker
Of course our environment and experiences and biology influence our choices. How could it be otherwise? That's not what we mean by "free". "Free" means "not under the control or in the power of another; able to act or be done as one wishes." What we wish for may be the result of our biology and environment -- but our ability (or lack thereof) to act on it is either "free" or "constrained". — Ecurb
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