Clarendon
bongo fury
The real problem - one that I, at least, can see 'is' a problem - is that you can't get out what you don't put in. For example, you can't make something that has size by combining lots of sizeless things. That's just not going to work. — Clarendon
wonderer1
DifferentiatingEgg
jkop
how does consciousness emerge from non-conscious stuff? — RogueAI
Clarendon
Clarendon
Clarendon
jkop
one cannot get a 'kind' from that which does not possess it — Clarendon
Srap Tasmaner
Are you saying that I have committed such a fallacy? — Clarendon
bongo fury
Well 'colour' is one of those features whose status as objective or subjective is a matter of debate. — Clarendon
If it is objective, [...] (for now the colour is a feature of the object itself, not a disposition to cause a colour sensation in a perceiver of the object). — Clarendon
Clarendon
Clarendon
Clarendon
Clarendon
bongo fury
It seems to me that you're focussing on a different issue. — Clarendon
The real problem - one that I, at least, can see 'is' a problem - is that you can't get out what you don't put in. — Clarendon
Clarendon
Like I said, I don't see the size analogy avoiding the usual Zeno rabbit holes. — bongo fury
Clarendon
Clarendon
RogueAI
The problem is that it seems a truth of reason that you cannot get something from nothing. — Clarendon
Clarendon
RogueAI
Clarendon
RogueAI
Corvus
First, I take it that 'problems' of consciousness only arise if you assume that physical things are what ultimately exist, such that consciousness has to be found a home in that picture (a project that is then problematic). — Clarendon
litewave
The real problem - one that I, at least, can see 'is' a problem - is that you can't get out what you don't put in. — Clarendon
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