Kosovo — Questioner

Many countries do not recognise Kosovo as a sovereign country. Mine is an example.

On the other hand, it surprised me that Belarus appears in something relatively important—I thought everybody forgot Lukashenko's dictatorship.

Many countries do not recognise Kosovo as a sovereign country. — javi2541997

Apparently the USA does. And so does my country, Canada.

On the other hand, it surprised me that Belarus appears in something relatively important—I thought everybody forgot Lukashenko's dictatorship. — javi2541997

All of the countries on the list have repressive regimes.

@Punshhh

The local news station is broadcasting information about the 4th Amendment, which denies police the power to enter your home without a judicial warrant. They explain that ICE spokesmen have stated that they can enter homes without warrant, so the advice is to remain calm, don't open the door unless they show you a warrant, and basically be prepared to contact constitutional lawyers who are already preparing to bring cases to the Supreme Court. Strange times we're living in.

so the advice is to remain calm, don't open the door unless they show you a warrant,. — frank

Careful, they may be disguised as Jehovah's Withesses.

So the latest killing was a straight up execution of a man they pinned down. Video really looks like the kind of violence in war zones.

So now, there’s actually a risk of civil war or serious violent unrest. Trump is too stupid and narcissistic to draw back and the governor is calling for resistance, calling in the national guard.

If the republicans doesn’t back the fuck away from Trump now, there might not be any republicans anymore. They will all be considered guilty and there will be a reckoning for aligning with, and supporting Trump.

If this isn’t de-escalating quickly, it could be a serious moment for the US.

Are you an American? I am so, so very sorry.

Know that we up here in Canada are rooting for the good guys to prevail.

I read an article today about how the USA is officially in the first stage of civil war, if history is any lesson.

So, for solace, I turned to the third inaugural address of President Franklin Roosevelt, delivered in January 1941, for inspiration, and to remind me what the USA really stands for. The current aberration will fall, and the USA will get back on the right road.

Roosevelt said -

… There are men who believe that democracy, as a form of government and a frame of life, is limited or measured by a kind of mystical and artificial fate that, for some unexplained reason, tyranny and slavery have become the surging wave of the future—and that freedom is an ebbing tide.

But we Americans know that this is not true…

…. For action has been taken within the three-way framework of the Constitution of the United States. The coordinate branches of the Government continue freely to function. The Bill of Rights remains inviolate. The freedom of elections is wholly maintained. Prophets of the downfall of American democracy have seen their dire predictions come to naught.

No, democracy is not dying…

… We know it cannot die—because it is built on the unhampered initiative of individual men and women joined together in a common enterprise—an enterprise undertaken and carried through by the free expression of a free majority.

We know it because democracy alone, of all forms of government, enlists the full force of men's enlightened will.

We know it because democracy alone has constructed an unlimited civilization capable of infinite progress in the improvement of human life.

We know it because, if we look below the surface, we sense it still spreading on every continent—for it is the most humane, the most advanced, and in the end the most unconquerable of all forms of human society…

… we all understand what it is—the spirit—the faith of America. It is the product of centuries. It was born in the multitudes of those who came from many lands—some of high degree, but mostly plain people—who sought here, early and late, to find freedom more freely.

The democratic aspiration is no mere recent phase in human history. It is human history. It permeated the ancient life of early peoples. It blazed anew in the Middle Ages. It was written in Magna Charta…

… The destiny of America was proclaimed in words of prophecy spoken by our first President in his first Inaugural in 1789—words almost directed, it would seem, to this year of 1941: "The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered. . . deeply, . . . finally, staked on the experiment intrusted to the hands of the American people."

If the republicans doesn’t back the fuck away from Trump now, there might not be any republicans anymore. They will all be considered guilty and there will be a reckoning for aligning with, and supporting Trump. — Christoffer

You underestimate the mental gymnastics involved in all of this. This thread should be a good sign of that.

So the latest killing was a straight up execution of a man they pinned down. Video really looks like the kind of violence in war zones. — Christoffer

Looks that way so far. I look forward to Trump supporters spinning this, or simply cheering on executions for resistance.

“If they just complied, they’d be alive.” Fuck you.

Looking at the videos, it is interesting how the other shooters followed the first, a spasm of fear notable in other killings by groups.

...could be... — Christoffer

:confused:

So now, there’s actually a risk of civil war or serious violent unrest. Trump is too stupid and narcissistic to draw back and the governor is calling for resistance, calling in the national guard. — Christoffer

You may be underestimating him (or his advisers). I've heard a suggestion that the plan is to provoke serious unrest so that the Insurrection Act can be invoked and the elections suspended. Much as I admire Minnesota, it might be wise to save the opposition until after the election.

You may be underestimating him (or his advisers). — Ludwig V

It was never about safety or immigration. The state-sanctioned terrorism that the Trump admin is raining down upon Minnesota is a pretext to taking over elections in the state.

Pam Bondi has sent a letter to Minnesota stating that they'll get out of the state if the state turns over all their voter rolls.

Here's the letter -

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/01/24/us/pam-bondi-walz-doc.html

ETA - Bondi cites the DHS to support her ludicrous claims!

A bit of a stretch to call it an execution. Seemed like a classic case of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" to me.

Are you an American? — Questioner

I am not, I'm just generally opposed to obvious fascism. Especially when it starts to threaten our neighbors and us with supposed military action. Then it's not just opposition in general, but actually building towards Trump becoming an actual enemy of our Scandinavian nations.

Looks that way so far. I look forward to Trump supporters spinning this, or simply cheering on executions for resistance. — Mikie

I look forward to Trump and MAGA being labeled as an extremist violent group and dealt with accordingly. They've now flown a little too close to the sun. State sanctioned execution should be such a red flag that the national guard should arrest and fight back against ICE. Trump and his bootlickers should be arrested for sanctioning and defending these murders.

Actually, the people should just stop working, stop society fully in support against the government. If everyone who oppose this violence just stopped participating in society, it would fuck the government up so much. On top of that, march against the white house, demand justice, tell the apathetic and lazy politicians in Washington that if they don't remove Trump, they will be dragged down with him.

The US population should as a whole nation oppose this. But I've lost hope in the common people. They simply don't care until a boot is on their head. Well, that's happening now, so why wait until the boot comes to their door? Isn't one fascist boot too many?

Looking at the videos, it is interesting how the other shooters followed the first, a spasm of fear notable in other killings by groups. — Paine

They are violent extremists. These people are the low-lives of society, incel fuckers who are like children with toys getting approval to beat up or kill any US citizens they like without consequences.

This kind of thing was the thing the second amendment was made for, to defend against a power abusing government. It's basically in the constitution that the people have the right to shoot back in defense against ICE. It's just a matter of time before this happens.



Yeah, "could be", in that it could actually be a spark for civil war. It's never been this close. If people start arming themselves in defense of ICE, it could cause shootouts in the streets and Trump will never back off, he's too much of a narcissist being led by Stephen-the-actual-nazi-Miller and Peter-trying-to-have-a-Patton-speech-Hegseth, to de-escalate. Which means he could very well send troops and escalate if such a thing happens.

You may be underestimating him (or his advisers). I've heard a suggestion that the plan is to provoke serious unrest so that the Insurrection Act can be invoked and the elections suspended. Much as I admire Minnesota, it might be wise to save the opposition until after the election. — Ludwig V

Yeah, he seems hell bent on causing so much trouble that there's a real chance of major shootouts.

But, all it takes would be for the mentally functioning people in the US to just stand up against him, with the threat of violently dragging him out of office. There should be far more people like that than people supporting him. I'm just wondering when people reach the point of having enough and actually acting on it.

A bit of a stretch to call it an execution. Seemed like a classic case of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" to me. — Tzeentch

You serious? In what society would you classify their actions as supported by the law? And if you classify their actions as legitimate in breaking the law, then why not just shoot every ICE agent attacking the people since these ICE agents are really the ones who plays stupid games here. Attempt some basic Kantian ethics to your defense of their actions and universalize their behavior, you see a pattern of fascist executions in that? How many more of these killings would it take for you to see clearly how immoral all of this is?

You serious? In what society would you classify their actions as supported by the law? And if you classify their actions as legitimate in breaking the law, then why not just shoot every ICE agent attacking the people since these ICE agents are really the ones who plays stupid games here. Attempt some basic Kantian ethics to your defense of their actions and universalize their behavior, you see a pattern of fascist executions in that? How many more of these killings would it take for you to see clearly how immoral all of this is? — Christoffer

You can unbunch your panties now. I never said it was morally justified. What I said is that the guy played stupid games and won his stupid prize.

You can unbunch your panties now. I never said it was morally justified. What I said is that the guy played stupid games and won his stupid prize. — Tzeentch

No, he did not, he carried legally, didn't draw his gun. He was filming them, legally, they had no right to beat him down, and they removed his legally carried gun and only after it was removed did they back off and shot him on the ground.

There's no stupid games being played here but what the ICE agents did. I don't know why you try to downplay all of this, what are you defending here?

The guy resisted arrest, obviously - a pretty fucking dumb thing to do. Getting maced was his queue to lie down and live another day, but alas.

Anyway, I'm not defending anyone nor downplaying anything.

Arrest for what? What's the crime here? Please elaborate because you are downplaying this event. I don't understand how you think you're not doing that?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/24/alex-pretti-killing-witness-testimony

You are essentially just arguing along the line of what the Trump admin is saying, which are lies proven by video and witness reports.

Seemed like a classic case of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" to me. — Tzeentch

What a shocker.

I'm not defending anyone nor downplaying anything. — Tzeentch

Yeah, except you really are.

Nah. Actions have consequences. Simple as.

Guy was carrying too. Like how suicidal can you get?

Oh, okay. Cool. Fair and balanced take.

But you’re right — actions do have consequences. So murdering someone for resisting arrest, when there was no threat (the gun was already removed), should indeed have consequences. But way to defend state power. Really shows the value of your other analyses— as complete garage. But you do you.

So Ashli Babbitt had it coming too, just like this guy. And the mother. Right?

How cavalier we are when it’s not someone on our team. Republicans really have no souls.

But way to defend state power. — Mikie

I'm not defending state power. Just stating the obvious. If you think the state and its various agents are incompetent, corrupt nazis, etc. all the more reason not to do what guy did.

Guy was carrying too. Like how suicidal can you get? — Tzeentch

He had a legal carry that he didn’t even draw or have his hands on. Just stop. The evidence is clear here and you’re just grasping at straws to defend unlawful actions by state agents.

So naturally I wonder, why? What’s your game here? Because this just feels like fascist apologist bs to me.

I'm not defending state power. Just stating the obvious. If you think the state and its various agents are incompetent, corrupt nazis, etc. all the more reason not to do what guy did. — Tzeentch

I ask again, what crime did he commit? What did he do to warrant being killed like that? Give a straight answer.

Give a straight answer. — Christoffer

Give a straight answer to your strawmen? Get outta here buddy. :lol:

I get it, though. Ya'll are needing to vent your outrage on someone, so need to misconstrue the position of the first person who doesn't join in the handwringing.

Some news sources say Pretti was already disarmed when he was shot. The DHS version is that Pretti was shot while they were trying to disarm him.

Personally, I can't make heads or tails of the videos. I'll wait for the investigation.

Give a straight answer to your strawmen? Get outta here buddy. :lol: — Tzeentch

What strawman? You defend the actions of the ICE agents by pointing out that the victim did something wrong, i.e he committed some crime to warrant being shot to death.

I’m asking you what crime he did or what he did wrong. How the fuck is that a strawman?

You defend the actions of the ICE agents by pointing out that the victim did something wrong, [...] — Christoffer

Nope. Try again.