• Wallows
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    This might be taboo to ask a philosopher to criticize another psychologist (philosopher)? But, I am keenly interested in Prof. Pigliucci's take on the purported perversion of Stoicism by mainstream people like Jordan Peterson.

    Here's a take to the matter:

    https://modernstoicism.com/nope-jordan-peterson-aint-no-stoic-by-massimo-pigliucci/
  • I like sushi
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    Interesting take. I certainly agree with Peterson’s use of ‘post-modern’ speech. Overall though I think Peterson has done more good than harm and I’m certainly bored of watching the whole conflated media heist that was (it’s done for now it seems) Peterson’s contributions to pop-social science and the social media frenzy that explodes whenever anyone is vaguely offended by someone they disagree with..

    No one is completely right and no one is completely wrong.

    I’m sure stoicism is a great approach for some people, but I truly believe it is naive to assume to suits all, or even most, personalities. I’m interested to learn more about the modern take on stoicism with the questions posed. I’ve only read sections of Epi., Aur. and Sen. I’m generally opposed to wholesale ‘ethical’ positions, yet I do think they are useful for communicating individual moral stances and exploring ideas about innate morality and law and order.
  • Wallows
    9.6k
    Overall though I think Peterson has done more good than harm and I’m certainly bored of watching the whole conflated media heist that was (it’s done for now it seems) Peterson’s contributions to pop-social science and the social media frenzy that explodes whenever anyone is vaguely offended by someone they disagree with..I like sushi

    Yes, Peterson is a pretty interesting character, though, I think he owes a debt to Stoic thought, that he doesn't necessarily acknowledge. Some people might think he's reinventing the wheel in regards to Stoicism and its practical applications to modern-day living.

    I mean, cite your sources, for goodness sake.
  • Amity
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    I just noticed that Philosophy Day has passed - Thurs 21st November.
    https://philosophydayatccny.wordpress.com
    ...and wondered what the Prof's input had been.
    Not got there yet, but found this:

    https://massimopigliucci.wordpress.com/author/mpigliucci/

    Massimo links to several articles he has come across recently which he thinks worth considering.
    One here which might put the cat among the pigeons:

    I wish I’d never been born: the rise of the anti-natalists. * (Guardian)Massimo Pigliucci

    Now, this is interesting - when I used the quote function, it didn't include his throwaway opinion:

    * [ I still think this is more than a bit silly, but whatever.]

    Hmmm...
    Next question...how would he more fully respond to this apparently growing philosophical view ?
    Or would he think it not worth it ?
  • Baden
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    We've now updated Prof. Pigliucci on this discussion and as we've got enough material to choose from, we'll close it for now. Many thanks for all your efforts and enthusiasm. More information to come soon.
  • Baden
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    PMs have been sent inviting contributors to begin discussions. All of those who contributed a developed question/set of questions in the form of an OP have been contacted and OPs will begin to be visible from now.

    Again, we much appreciate everyone's help in getting this event off the ground.
  • Amity
    933

    Congratulations to all chosen OPs :smile:
    Also to team who made this happen. Well done, guys !
    Looking forward to the discussions between you and Massimo Pigliucci.
  • Baden
    8.9k


    Cheers. By the way all, in order to make sure no-one else accidentally (or otherwise!) posts in the Guest Speaker discussions apart from Prof Pigliucci and those chosen to participate, I've had to set custom permissions for this category, which means that for the moment at least, no discussion here, including this one, can be commented on by regular members.

    Edit: Topics listed here: https://thephilosophyforum.com/categories/32/massimo-pigliucci
  • Wallows
    9.6k
    @Baden, can we get an estimate when Prof. Pigliucci will join us?
  • Baden
    8.9k


    We're hoping he'll have time during this first week of December. If I get any firmer information, I'll let you know.
  • Baden
    8.9k


    Massimo has now joined the site. :smile:

    (By the way, I ask that members please observe decorum and not send Prof. Pigliucci any unsolicited PMs. I expect he's likely to have enough on his plate with the questions here. Thanks.)
  • Baden
    8.9k
    Just to add that the way we've organized this with Prof. Pigliucci is that he'll answer the five OPs gradually and then he may, if he has time, follow up on some of the discussions. Obviously, there's a lot of information in the OPs, so we appreciate any responses we get and we hope those reading enjoy the event and learn something from it.
  • I like sushi
    1.8k
    Hope for everything and expect nothing :)

    I’m hoping for a follow up, if not then I’ll just have to make do with the Stoicism stuff.
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