• Bitter Crank
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    And here is the same box on the 20th of March, a fortnight before the picture above. Doesn't seem to have the tacky white contact material attached which P.M. May had tried to remove,

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    Compare:

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    No wonder they can't get Brexit straightened out.

    Maybe you have some insight into the box?
  • unenlightened
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    apathy killsEvil

    It's not really apathy, except apathy at an endless argument conducted by ignoramuses and special interests with no concern for society as a whole.

    International trade relations are important to everyone - rather like the gas central heating installation regulations are important to everyone. But I don't want either of them decided by what Boris can persuade Mrs Thing down the road is a good idea, and I don't want to decide them myself. I want clever experts with lots of time to work out what works best and everyone else to just shut up unless they know something about it.
  • Evil
    102
    Fair enough, I suppose it's better than pretending to care.

    I want clever experts with lots of time to work out what works best and everyone else to just shut up unless they know something about it.unenlightened

    There's not enough time these days
  • unenlightened
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    it's better than pretending to care.Evil

    No it is caring. I care too much about the gas central heating installation regulations to want them decided by a referendum of the ignorant, and the same goes for brexit. And the experts overwhelmingly agree that remain is the best course, both economically and politically, and no more time is required for that.
  • ssu
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    So this is dragged to October.

    So then (or later) a later date is given when Brexit actually happens, I think.

    Again EU is showing it's inability to do anything.
  • Benkei
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    The EU benefits if there is some agreement on trade between the UK and its constituents. Instead of disrupting trade unnecessarily due to a hard Brexit, they've opted for a delay. That is still making a choice.
  • Michael
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    Again EU is showing it's inability to do anything.ssu

    What else are the EU supposed to do? Deny the request and have us leave without a deal? They don't want that.

    The problem is entirely with Parliament being unable to agree on what to do.
  • Markus77
    3
    what a shame this brexit.
  • S
    9.8k
    Let's have another vote on the deal. That's what I say. Fifth time's the charm?
  • ssu
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    The EU benefits if there is some agreement on trade between the UK and its constituents. Instead of disrupting trade unnecessarily due to a hard Brexit, they've opted for a delay. That is still making a choice.Benkei
    The EU benefits with the UK being in the EU. So we will continue to October... to only then perhaps start the final (?) transfer time for Brexit.

    So, I guess I should be asking how many British here will be eagerly voting on the EU elections in May? Will Nigel Farage, one of your present EU Parliament members be running for re-election?

    I wonder how many years will the UK be leaving the EU.
  • Jake
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    It seems the Brits have gone completely nuts. I'm sure glad that could never happen in America.

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  • ssu
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    What else are the EU supposed to do? Deny the request and have us leave without a deal? They don't want that.Michael
    Of course, IF the EU would be a genuine federation which would behave as real sovereign state, it would have the option to basically shove the Brexit up the UK's ass sideways as a warning to any other state considering leaving the Union. It would then try, first and foremost, to take away the position of the City of London enjoys in the financial markets. The evil money laundering London banks would be a nice populist discourse. And have that no-deal Brexit if the UK doesn't submit. It could possibly lure Scotland to remain in the EU by promising that if Scotland would want independence it would be immediately recognized by the EU and the new country would automatically inherit the position of the UK. Imagine the talk then of the Anglo-Scottish border from over 300 years ago being erected again.

    Of course the above is totally ludicrous and crazy. The EU would not and could not act like that. And this just shows that the EU isn't at all one coherent entity or actor like the United States of America. And hence the above shows how the discourse of "Brussels" taking power away from it's members is nonsense: the EU simply doesn't have the ability to truly control it's member states. The idea of a tight federation is not only wrong, it is detrimental. The European Union cannot be anything else than a confederation of independent states.
  • Benkei
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    It would then try, first and foremost, to take away the position of the City of London enjoys in the financial markets.ssu

    That is financially not feasible without seriously undermining the banking book of every EU bank in the process. They'd pay through the nose to move their cleared swaps from LCH to EUREX, ICE and EuroCCP. If you want to move it, it will have to be done gradually by grandfathering existing portfolios and requiring new euro-denominated swaps to be cleared with a CCP established in the EU27. To have the bulk move would then take about 10 years and for all the historic portfolios to close about 30 years. But LCH offers more than just clearing of euro-denominated swaps and would probably be recognised as a third country equivalent CCP any way, which you'd want if you want your EU banks to operate meaningfully internationally.
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