• Merkwurdichliebe
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    Yes, he's a blowhard and must be the most intellectually lazy President the U.S. has ever had [...] He's essentially someone's dumb uncle that accidentally became President.Baden

    Actually Bush was worse. It's simply the case that most Americans have shit for memories, and half the whiners who are obsessed with bitching about Donald T. are too young to know the extent of tyranny the globe suffered under Bush (and is still suffering today).
  • Pfhorrest
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    I remember Bush, and that he was an idiot, but even though I hated his policies he seemed like a kind of charming innocent doofus, aesthetically speaking. Trump, even ignoring his actual policies, just comes off as a mean asshole internet troll.
  • Hippyhead
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    I'm voting for Trump because of this amazing accomplishment. He's made us long for traditional politicians! Incredible! Who knew that was possible???

    Are there any Bushes left? Clintons we forgot about? Carter's only 95, maybe he'll run! Ok, I know Reagan is dead, but isn't that better than when he was senile? Is Nixon still available, does anyone know?
  • Relativist
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    Is Nixon still available, does anyone know?Hippyhead
    Have you never watched Futurama?
  • frank
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    So after the election, everybody is going to sue everybody, the SCOTUS will have to weigh in, we'll have a president some time in February.
  • praxis
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    I'm voting for Trump because of this amazing accomplishment. He's made us long for traditional politicians!Hippyhead

    He couldn't be more traditional, merely a different brand.
  • Relativist
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    So after the election, everybody is going to sue everybody, the SCOTUS will have to weigh in, we'll have a president some time in February.frank
    That's not possible. "The 20th amendment states: "The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January" Backing up from there, there is law that states the electoral college votes must be certified on Jan 6.

    Worst case, a Supreme Court ruling would be needed to meet the deadline. The actual deadlines are not subject to debate.
  • Relativist
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    IMO, the most important moment in Trump's "town hall" roast last week was his defence of tweeting falsehoods because the mainstream media is "corrupt". Sure. that makes perfect sense. Guthrie compared this tweeting behavior to a "crazy uncle", and true to form - he responded like a crazy uncle (transcript below).

    It's important, not because it exposes what thinking people already know about him, but because it's the sort of behavior that may get him reelected. I dare say that some of his supporters believe the false tweet, and are delighted (and energized) to see him repeat it. Those that don't necessarily believe it, don't care that's it's false - they only care that he thinks like they do: mainstream media is against "us".


    Transcript:
    Guthrie: "Just this week, you retweeted to your 87 million followers, a conspiracy theory that Joe Biden orchestrated to have SEAL Team Six, the Navy SEAL Team Six, killed to cover up the fake death of Bin Laden. Now, why would you send a lie like that to your followers?"

    Trump: "I know nothing about it, can I..."

    Guthrie: "You retweeted it"

    Trump: "That was a retweet. That was an opinion of somebody.(Guthrie interrups)..and that was a retweet. I’ll put it out there. People can decide for themselves. I don’t take a position.
    ===================
    Pause right there. Trump doesn't take a position on whether or not bin Laden is actually dead. Perhaps someone will ask him about this in the next debate. What can he answer? If he says, "of COURSE I know bind Laden is dead" then he will be admitting to retweeting something he knows to be false. If he says, "I don't know if he's dead", then he's derelict - as President, he clearly has the resources to get to the bottom of it. And it's a pretty big deal.
    ===================
    Guthrie: "I don’t get that, you’re the President. You’re not like, someone’s crazy uncle who can just (Trump interrupts)...… retweet, whatever.

    Trump: "That was a retweet. And I do a lot of retweets. And frankly, because the media is so fake, and so corrupt, if I didn’t have social media… I don’t call it Twitter, I call it social media. I wouldn’t be able to get the word out. And the word is...

    Guthrie: "Well, the word is false."

    Trump: "… and you know what the word is? The word is very simple. We’re building our country, stronger and better than it’s ever been before."
  • Benkei
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    Trump: "… and you know what the word is? The word is very simple. We’re building our country, stronger and better than it’s ever been before."Relativist

    Rebuilding, one death at a time.
  • Hippyhead
    727
    He couldn't be more traditional, merely a different brandpraxis

    Thank you for your highly predictable reactionary gotcha remark.

    I say potato, you say potawto.

    I say potawto, you say potato.

    I say tomato, you say tomawto.

    I say tomawto, you say tomato.
  • praxis
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    He’s a right-wing populist, as traditional in the US as white bread or apple pie. Think stupid Nixon.
  • Hippyhead
    727
    Isn't it interesting how popular it is to call Trump stupid. And yet he is President, and we are not. And he is rich, and we are not. And he totally dominates all forms of media almost minute by minute, and nobody gives the slightest shit what we have to say.

    And he beat every Republican, and every Democrat, all the professional politicians, all the talking heads, all the expert insiders. All of them.

    A world class asshole, yes, totally agree there. But not stupid.

    And Trump is not a populist either. He's a quite intelligent asshole who has persuaded you that he's a populist. Trump has no political beliefs beyond the pursuit of his own self interest, which is primarily his childlike need for ceaseless attention. Please recall, Trump donated to various Clinton campaigns and causes. He would have happily run as a leftist if that was where the opportunity lie.

    Trump's gift is that he can see through many of the lies we tell ourselves. Perhaps this is a talent which comes naturally to compulsive liars?

    As example, the media is constantly patting itself on the back for being a heroic public service etc. Trump sees through the fantasy and knows the media is just another profit seeking business. He feeds them the drama their business model depends on, and in return they give him billions upon billions of dollars of free advertising, while they pretend to be appalled by the drama he has handed them.

    The religious right is constantly patting itself on the back about it's moral superiority. Trump sees through that fantasy too, and proves it by getting them to enthusiastically vote for the most immoral president we've had in my lifetime.

    The Democrats constantly pat themselves on the back about their intellectual superiority (like you're doing) and Trump sees through that, and proves it by winning a campaign they all confidently predicted he had no chance of winning.

    Trump is the kind of guy who went down to the crossroads and sold his soul to the Devil in exchange for some extraordinary political talents.
  • Benkei
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    Lmao. The only reason Trump could win is because the US has a retarded two party system. He'd never survive in a multiparty system which puts the lie to his political savvy. He's also barely accomplished anything, which again, shows no political skill. A good politician would've embraced the covid crisis by turning it in something that would politically benefit him. He totally failed in that. Same with BLM.
  • praxis
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    You appear to be buying the myth that he’s a 4-D chess player or whatever. Grated he’s an accomplished con-man, but the self-beneficial accomplishments he has are owed to inherited wealth and the freedom of not being burdened with any principles.
  • Merkwurdichliebe
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    The only reason Trump could win is because the US has a retarded two party systemBenkei

    You forgot the second part: an even more retarded electorate that is willing to cast votes for scum like Trump and Biden
  • frank
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    So we wont know till Jan 6?
  • Relativist
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    I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that's the latest possible date we'd know. It's a deadline SCOTUS would need to work backwards from, if a lawsuit comes to them.
  • Relativist
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    Scum like Biden?!

    I can get people disagreeing with him about policies (what he will and won't do), their being disappointed that he's the candidate instead of someone they prefer (Bernie?), or being apprehensive about his age...but "scum"? He seems like a decent, if imperfect, man. I can't see how anyone could put him into the same category as Trump.
  • 180 Proof
    2k
    c30-40% of (mostly low-information, woefully undereducated, working / lower middle class) Americans refuse to accept the overwhelming historical FACT that, no matter how bad many Whites have had and still do have it in this country, things have always been and still are STRUCTURALLY (re: class exploitation) and SYSTEMICALLY (re: race discrimination-policing) worse for most Nonwhites (citizens & migrants) in America than for Whites. They'd rather "drink bleach" than make common cause with precariats like themselves of other colors/ethnicities or with dispossessed refugees.

    He’s a right-wing [white grievence] populist, as traditional in the US as white bread or apple pie. Think stupid Nixon.praxis
    DJT is a stupid person's idea of smart person (i.e. losers' idea of a "winner" :point: white grievence populism = "MAGA").
  • darthbarracuda
    3.1k
    https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-will-run-again-2024-if-he-loses-joe-biden-says-steve-bannon-1540118

    Another tacit admission of failure, loss and defeat by the far-right, matched with a threat of vengeance the next time around: Trump will be back...

    If justice is served, then no, no he won't.
  • Mr Bee
    306
    Isn't it interesting how popular it is to call Trump stupid. And yet he is President, and we are not. And he is rich, and we are not. And he totally dominates all forms of media almost minute by minute, and nobody gives the slightest shit what we have to say.

    And he beat every Republican, and every Democrat, all the professional politicians, all the talking heads, all the expert insiders. All of them.

    A world class asshole, yes, totally agree there. But not stupid.
    Hippyhead

    No, Trump really is stupid and everything that he's said and done in these past 4 years demonstrates that quite well. In spite of what he keeps saying about how unfair the system is towards him, the fact is he got into the White House through sheer luck because of that very system. From the billions he received in free media from the "fake news" outlets, to the "deep state" FBI saving his campaign with their October surprise email investigation, to the fact that he ran against quite literally the most unpopular establishment candidate in modern history, the fact that a conman like him could get through and become president speaks more to how broken the US is as a country more than anything else.
  • Mr Bee
    306
    He seems like a decent, if imperfect, man. I can't see how anyone could put him into the same category as Trump.Relativist

    He's not in the same category as Trump. More in the same category of being an establishment politician like Hillary Clinton, except without the toxic image, which is why he'll likely do far better than she ever did.
  • Benkei
    3.6k
    Also, let's not forget Lord Darroch's assessment who, despite being ambassador of the US' closest sky, was rather clear on the subject : incompetent.
  • Merkwurdichliebe
    1.6k
    Scum like Biden?!Relativist

    Absolutely scum. He's a lacky to the status quo. I hope he gets elected so you can see all the fucked up shit he never talks about, but that he plans on doing. But, it really doesn't matter who gets "elected", everything is going to keep getting worse... at this point in history, there is no indication that American decadence is reversible
  • frank
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    What do you think will take its place?
  • Merkwurdichliebe
    1.6k
    What do you think will take its place?frank

    With Biden, all of meaningless surface issues will likely reverse. But military policy will continue unimpeded, and American prosperity will continue to be sold out to foreign interests. And worst of all, black kids will continue to be terrorized and murdered by a police force which will continue to be inflated, meanwhile guns will continue to be stripped from guilty-til-proven-innocent violent non-offenders, while white kids continue with public massacres unimpeded by the overinflated police force (kinda ironic).

    Finally, covid mandates will become a permanent public health measure.
  • frank
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    Probably. Lots of cool stuff will happen too, though.
  • Relativist
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    Absolutely scum. He's a lacky to the status quo. I hope he gets elected so you can see all the fucked up shit he never talks about, but that he plans on doing.Merkwurdichliebe
    You're judging both Trump and Biden "scum" because they won't do the things you want done. That's a weird standard. You must think the world is filled with scum.

    I judge Trump scum because he is a narcissistic sociopath. Even if I believed the well-being of the country would be identical in 4 years, regardless of winner, I'd vote for the guy who'd not the narcissistic sociopath.

    But I actually think the nation WILL be better off with someone who displays decency and refrains from stoking negative, destructive passions.

    To each his own.
  • Merkwurdichliebe
    1.6k
    You're judging both Trump and Biden "scum" because they won't do the things you want done.Relativist

    Yes. But do you know what I want done, or are you assuming??? You know what happens when you assume, don't you? It makes you look like a bitch. Of course, I'm not assuming you are assuming here...I assume.

    You must think the world is filled with scum.Relativist
    Absolutely, I hope you're not scum. But in all fairness, we're probably all scum, relativistically speaking.

    I judge Trump scum because he is a narcissistic sociopath. Even if I believed the well-being of the country would be identical in 4 years, regardless of winner, I'd vote for the guy who'd not the narcissistic sociopath.Relativist

    Well I guess you wouldn't be voting for president this election. And if you would, I would applause your legendary naivety for its historical novelty.

    But I actually think the nation WILL be better off with someone who displays decency and refrains from stoking negative, destructive passions.

    To each his own.
    Relativist

    Negative, destructive passions? You mean like drones strikes on foreign land? Or reducing opportunities for decent american citizens on behalf of the few?
  • Relativist
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    Negative, destructive passions? You mean like drones strikes on foreign land?Merkwurdichliebe
    No, I mean things like normalizing degradation of those with whom we disagree, and stoking hatred and division.
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