It is, by common sense, factual that consciousness exists. — Reilyn
If I were to tell a person that they do not have consciousness, they would not be able to give me evidence that they do, even though they can definitively prove that to themselves. — Reilyn
I am suspicious of claims of common sense, self-evidence, obviousness, or certainty, at least in a philosophical setting. — T Clark
Are you familiar with p-zombies? — T Clark
The belief that others have consciousness, as we lack the evidence, is pure faith. — Reilyn
A world in which oneself is the only conscious being strikes me as being dangerously close to psychopathology. — Wayfarer
If I were to tell a person that they do not have consciousness, they would not be able to give me evidence that they do, even though they can definitively prove that to themselves. Neither of us can prove, or have any way to know for certain, that the other has consciousness. The belief that others have consciousness, as we lack the evidence, is pure faith. — Reilyn
. . . I would reply, "Right, you can't have proof that they're conscious. You can't be certain. But a great deal of strong evidence could be provided to you. That being so, it isn't correct to say that we 'lack evidence,' and so believing in their consciousness is 'pure faith'. What we lack is certainty, a different matter." — J
In a lucid dream, our perspective of these dream characters is different from our perspective of people who are “real”, because we are taught that these people are not conscious, even if they act the same way that “real” people do. — Reilyn
The fact is, however, that these people do have consciousness, but they do not have a separate consciousness. Their actions and decisions are consequences of our own consciousness. — Reilyn
As a side note, my lucid dreaming self has limited consciousness compared to my waking self. — GrahamJ
In summary, we know for a fact that consciousness exists. But regardless of whether or not there are consciousnesses individual from your own, and whether the “we” could or could not mean “I”, the notion that others might lack individual consciousness does not invalidate their possession of consciousness altogether. In such a case, that consciousness would simply be your own. — Reilyn
If individual consciousness does not exist besides our own, that does not disprove the existence of others’ consciousness. In fact, it gives evidence to the opposite. The creation of other people by one’s own mind means that those people must, then, have a consciousness, that consciousness being your own. Likewise to the characters in dreams, if we assume other people are also creations of our mind, to say that they do not have consciousness is to deny the existence of one’s own consciousness, as the actions of those people are a direct result of your consciousness. — Reilyn
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