All that you touch
You change.
All that you change
Changes you.
The only lasting truth
Is Change. — Octavia Butler, Parable of the Sower
:up: :up:I do think that there is likely to be a lot of population reduction through many factors, from war and inequalities. Of course, this is not the first time and the ability to cope with change is questionable. — Jack Cummins
The former is in part constituted by the former just as higher dimensional spaces / bandwidths are constituted by lower dimensional spaces / bandwidths. Subjectivity (i.e. my view from here) is an emergent property – phenomenal-perspectival aspect – of objectivity (i.e. public view from anywhere).How to account for subjectivity in an objective world? — bizso09
To prevent life =/= to prevent suffering just as to destroy the village =/= to save the village. Your ANist cowardice and hypocrisy are pathetic, schop, but it's not yet too late to redeem yourself à la Mainländer. :smirk: — 180 Proof
:roll:↪180 Proof is making a statement of personal belief, not a fact of science. — Gnomon
Also, by implication, I'm saying that, while "God" and the universe are equally improbable, "God" is completely nonevident such that parsimoniously the universe (as e.g. eternal, cyclical, a vacuum fluctuation, etc) suffices both as a physical explanation and metaphysical presupposition.So you're saying the probability God exists is extremely low? — RogueAI
:up: :up:... it is likely that the mythical idea of the 'end times' has an influence on the shaping of history and how people live. — Jack Cummins
Nothing new in this sort of "end times" anxiety except for the historical circumstances and particulars.I am just concerned that what is happening now may be the point of no return. — Jack Cummins
:mask:Well, a chunk of Americans cared more about voting against a black woman. — RogueAI
:up: :up:As described, the first cause is uncaused - but it's not an "accident", in the traditional sense as being synonymous with "contingent". — Relativist
My reading of "great histories" informs me that civilization is always on the brink of collapse. Periods of long, gradual decline culminate in sudden unforeseeable crashes (à la chaotic systems (e.g. avalanches, cancers)). Besides increasing entropy (i.e. environmental degradation & destruction, runaway dominance of accumulated disinformation), endemic political and cultural corruption seems the recurring culprit.Use your head, can't you, use your head, you're on earth, there's no cure for that! — Samuel Beckett, Endgame
:roll: Incorrigible & lazy ...Spinoza hedged his bets by labeling hispantheisticdeity as Deus sive Natura. — Gnomon
:clap: :100:So we must start out by asking the question 'is this world more likely a product of intelligent design or chance'? Well, we are not allowed to start out by assuming a designer with a particular character. So, [to do] the calculation we must consider how many different plans and intentiosn a designer may have. And there's the problem: there are going to be a potential infinite number. Certainly the odds of there being a designer who wished to create a world such as this are going to be everybit as long as the odds that a world such as this arose by chance. And given that the latter is a simpler thesis than the former - it doesn't assume a designer - then the chance thesis is the more reasonable one, other things being equal. — Clearbury
If the truth shall kill them, let them die. — Immanuel Kant
:100: :up:The ground of a transcendental argument presupposes a given. Depending on the choice of definitions, to construct an a priori judgement in the form of a transcendental argument, but with transcendent conceptions, is always invalid, insofar as no transcendent conceptions are given, re: that, the negation of which, is impossible. — Mww
Not unless there is a metaphysical necessity – (transcendental) reason – 'why there is anything at all'. Only "X is ultimately necessary" (i e. absolute) precipates an infinite regrees of "whys" (or "laws").If I were to grant your point here, then, it seems like reality would have to have, assuming there are laws, an infinite regress of them—no? — Bob Ross
I think fundamental physics overwhelmingly suggests, though does/can not prove, that Order is (only) a phase-transition of Disorder such that the more cogent, self-consistent conception of this universe (of atomic event-patterns, or fields-excitations) is that it is a random 'non-zero' (CCC ~Penrose?) fluctuation of vacua. Perhaps this is an Everettian (per)version of Spinozist substance and/or Epicurean void ... Q. Meillassoux's metaphysical term for this sort of concept is 'hyper-chaos' (aka ... sunyata ... dao ... Heraclitus' logos ... ) :fire:If it’s contingent ‘all the way down’, then how is it not chaos? — Wayfarer
:up: :up:Christianity is pretty irrelevant to ethics.
The view on sex and marriage expressed in the OP is pretty patriarchal. — Banno
:100:Some other methodological Naturalists are so dogmaticthat I don't waste my time dialoging with them.
— Gnomon
Funny how those same naturalists see through your bullshit and don't hesitate to call you on it.
It's not dogmatism, it's just that there is so much evidence which proves that you spew bullshit, and I happen to know somewhat about such evidence. — wonderer1
:up:I think there is another, quite independent, way of undermining the argument from fine-tuning. — Clearbury
:roll: And 'mysterian¹ apologetics' gets us where?Thomas Nagel had this to say ... — Wayfarer
for fact-free, non-corroborative stories (rationalized with pseudo-philosophizing) rather than fact-based, corroborative stories (interpreted via critical philosophizing)belief in gods—or in any supernatural guiding principle—is more like a preference — Tom Storm
No doubt.There is no atheist worldview. — Tom Storm
Perhaps some emotionally need certitude, or an illusion of knowledge (i.e. severe allergy to admitting what (that) they don't know (e.g. woo-of-the-gaps)), whereas others do not have such an acute anxiety and even thrive from exploring intractable unknowns, indicative by their willingness to say "I/we don't know". The latter seems to me (I don't mean to stereotype / caricature) an artistic-philosophical-scientific disposition and the former more magical-mythic/cultic-mystical than not.It seems to me that some people need answers to certain quesions, others don't. I often wonder why that is. — Tom Storm
:up: e.g. Thales and the other Milesian as well as Ionian & atomist Pre-Socratics ...an alternative physicalist cosmology to the ones provided by mythologies
:fire: :death:The only thing we have to fear is fear itself. — FDR, as Adolf Hitler becomes Chancellor of Germany, 1933