:roll: Instantiated, I wrote, not "immanent". Anyway, Wayf, your quarrel regarding the ontology of abstractions (e.g. concepts) begins with Kant(ians) ...Saying they are “immanent” — Wayfarer
Only to the extent "concepts" are instantiable in the material (contra Plato et al) are they "real" and useful for living (i.e. phronesis), otherwise non-instantiable concepts (aka "pure reason") are, at best, idle fictions.Concepts are real, but not material. — Wayfarer
Good.... not denying an external reality. — Wayfarer
So explain what objective difference this subjective distinction makes.It denies that we can meaningfully speak of a “mind-independent world” in the strong sense— i.e., a world that would exist in the way we understand it to exist even in the absence of any standpoint, any cognitive frame, any lived perspective.
What does "limits of objectivity" mean? Of course "science cannot" investigate non-phenomena (e.g. metaphysical fiats).Philosophy can inquire into what lies beyond the limits of objectivity in a way science cannot.
I.e. ecological-embodied metacognition ...... the world-as-lived, the meaningful, structured world of experience, is constituted through the operations of cognition [ ... ] the world we inhabit is inseparable from [enables-constrains] theactivity of consciousness[discursive practices] that renders itintelligible[explicable / computational]. — Wayfarer
:roll:I can accept [without a shred of evidence] the notion of hands-off creator-programmer-observer [that doesn't explain anything] ... — Gnomon
:up: :up:Descartes desired certitude and usefulness vis-a-vis the material world. Sextus [Pyrrho] wanted ataraxia. — Leontiskos
– and neither can idealism, subjectivism, spiritualism nor any other woo.Neuroscience tells us how the brain behaves when we think; it cannot tell us what thinking is — — Wayfarer
... this speculation is indistinguishable from ancient (Vedic, Greek) atomists' void¹ or quantum vacuum of contemporary fundamental physics (wherein "classical swirling-swerving atoms" are far more precisely described as virtual particles (i.e. planck events)) :wink:... "Ultimate reality (Brahman) is infinite, eternal, and beyond time, space, or change, has no shape or qualities, and is the source of everything" ... — Gnomon
Sure, mate, eezy peezy – (In addition to what @Janus says) their primary assumption, in effect, conflates, or equates, abstract (map-making) and concrete (territory) which is a reification fallacy (e.g. "Platonic Forms") and renders their arguments invalid. :clap:Can you rebut the arguments that I provided from Gerson, Feser, Russell? — Wayfarer
:mask: wtf ...There has been eight years of 'MAGA' America, and we see, loud and clear, where the hate, violence and vitriol is coming from. Not. MAGA. — AmadeusD
:up: :up:MAGA, it seems, consists of its bewildered and besotted followers. If that's Conservatism, it's mutated considerably. — Ciceronianus
Nope, afaik the quantum vacuum is the ground state of nature.So it’s Multiverses all the way down then? — Punshhh
Physicalist (philosophical naturalist).↪180 Proof So which one are you? — Punshhh
:up: :up:There is a point though, only an idealist [immaterislist], of some kind, would restrict what is to what can be said, or known by a person. Surely by contrast, a physicalist [materialist] of some kind would allow any of an infinite number of other possibilities and the fact that we cannot observe them directly doesn’t preclude their existence. — Punshhh
Aka Antifa – opposition to pro-"fascist / authoritarian" white grievance paranoia. Yes, we're guilty as charged. :mask:Define what you mean by "lefty wokeness"?
— 180 Proof
The left. The not-‘MAGA’. — Fire Ologist
I didn't claim or imply MAGA is "the only" symptom of not thinking, though at the moment MAGA is the most conspicuous symptom (re: "alternative facts" anti-intellectualism, anti-science ...)[Is] maga the only evidence of the disease of not thinking post enlightenment? — Fire Ologist
What about mindless facial recognition software that misrecognizes faces? Illusion =/= misrecognition, no?And an illusion is something that only a mind can entertain. — Wayfarer
Define what you mean by "lefty wokeness"? AFAIK that pejorative expression invokes another vacuous, right-wing media boogeyman in order to "own the Libs". :mask:Or, more to my point, is lefty wokeness a symptom of not thinking too, ...? — Fire Ologist
:up: :up:[C]onsciousness ... appears inexplicable.
That’s not a cognitive failing, it’s a conceptual one. — Wayfarer
:fire:[R]eality is what there is. To posit something "beyond reality" is to posit more [than] what there is. "Beyond reality" is not a region; it is a grammatical error. — Banno
Everything. Nothing. And why the chronic habit (nearly contagious/mimetic learned idiocy) of not-thinking persists even in this post-Enlightenment "Information Age" (e.g. in the US, "Trump/MAGA" are only an effing symptoms). :mask:What shouldwe[I/you] think about?
Yes, and we've been speculating in the context of physics (re: the universe). Btw, "philosophical nothing" is more precisely referred to as nothing-ness (i.e. total absence of possible worlds) as distinct from no-thing (e.g. quantum vacuum).Nothing within physics is distinct from philosophical [metaphysical] nothing. — ucarr
Perhaps 'quantum uncertainty' ... such that "nothing" necessarily fluctuates and (at some threshold) a density of fluctuations – (contingent) not-nothing aka "something" – happens. :nerd:If you think the universe was preceded by nothing, then you must explain how nothing transitioned into something. — ucarr
:up:Any one-sentence OP is basically click bait. — Wayfarer
:confused: (e.g. north of the North Pole)beyondourreality — an-salad
False. They are "transwomen" (typical XY) and "transmen" (typical XX). Period. Usually they suffer from gender dysphoric disorder (GDD). Otoh, men are adult males (typical XY) and women are adult females (typical XX). Ergo: e.g. it's reasonable (i.e. fair) to prohibit "transwomen" (typical XY) from physically competing against women (typical XX) in organized sports.Tranwomen are women. Transmen are men. True or false? — Philosophim
:chin:What emerges as fundamental are the invariances. The constraints of symmetry and then the degrees of freedom that result. — apokrisis
:100:I think it most plausible to consider that what we cannot introspect is 'neural', and that it is precisely it's character as non-mental that makes it impossible to introspect. — Janus
Free of spacetime locality (naturata)? No.Do wereallyhave free will?
:fire:Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills. — Arthur Schopenhauer
:up: :up:It's not that we must avoid pains -- it's that we shouldn't be the cause of our own mental anguish; the pains aren't so bad as they stand, and the pleasures are not so alluring that we need to punish ourselves for not obtaining them. — Moliere
I don't recall stating that. In fact, I believe eudaimonia (i.e. flourishing) is objective — acquiring adaptive habits (virtues) and unlearning maladaptive habits (vices) — e.g. the Capability approach of M. Nussbaum & A. Sen.As you stated, eudaimonia is hardly objective. — javi2541997
But my post was in direct relation to how Epicureanism was outlined by 180 Proof. And with that description I yet disagree. — javra
