You’re a bully, too. That’s the thing. Even bullies have bullies. No one is innocent in this world, and nobody asked you to stick your nose in. — Noah Te Stroete
The OP was poetic, and obviously subject to interpretation. As we are to learn, it references deep loss suffered by the author. Had it specifically referenced such loss, the only appropriate response would be to express condolences, but it wasn't. Based upon that, I'm not even sure what we ought be talking about here, but this is what I brought to the table, as it were. — Hanover
I don't know where to take this because I don't see it as philosophy or even philosophy or religion, but as a personal expression of faith. — Hanover
Oh, that. You noticed? I thought that you might have been too busy gallantly riding in on your high horse to save the day, with your noble armour of pure brilliant white glistening in the dazzling sun, a reflection of your saintly nature and inestimable virtue. — S
I dunno... sounds kinda white knight-ey to me. — S
Either that or I refuse to listen because it seems so missing the point. My enlightenment is just different I suppose. I see the divine in the actual divine I guess as opposed to a kitty cat jumping on a child's lap, or whatever. — Hanover
Very well. I just see this discussion as trying to convince one's self to be joyful despite it all. I find joy because of it all. — Hanover
Thanks for bringing some thoughtful joy...
That was joy? I shudder to think what pain is. The best that was was a method for enduring pain. — Hanover
I don't know if I am particularly sensitive, or particularly insensitive. Probably, I haven't conveyed anything very clearly. But consider the condition of bereavement. One suffers, and to refuse the suffering is to deny the value of what has been lost. Mourning is thus a celebration. My pain of loss honours the life that has ended. — unenlightened
put it here in philosophy of religion, because it is faith beyond reason and beyond the frivolity of mere fact. — unenlightened
But you could not resist coming to see what was happening could you — Sir2u
Or one rotten killjoy ruins the fun. Yep, certainly wouldn't want that to spread. — S
The answer to what should we do - depends on complex and interacting factors.
We should start by concentrating on the present. Look at evidence and use reason. Educate. — Amity
..In this age of multiple emergencies – climate chaos, pollution, social alienation – we should remember that technologies exist to serve us, not to dominate us...." — Amity
Anyone who would stick up for someone as purely evil as Ayn Rand is no friend of mine. — Noah Te Stroete
You'll have to ask them. But in general, we all try to walk the line between being permissive and illiberal, and someone will always be unhappy. — Baden
One discussion out of hundreds does not a stinking hellhole cesspit make. — Baden
As it is, I don't see any reason to give it attention or to get upset by it. — Baden
We can and might. It was a joke. — Baden
There was a lounge when I left. It wasn't as if it was a /hum/ sub that would make even the dirtbag left feel like maybe they've been immature long enough and should start looking for a job with a good 401k. — Akanthinos
It's one discussion out of hundreds in the Lounge. Just ignore it like most of the rest of us do. — Baden
Holy shit, S. Calm your tits down... Don't pick on Noah Te Stroete. He be cool.
If he's cool, which he definitely isn't, it's only because he has a sharp tongue like me. — S
Did you notice that HE never denied having tits? :gasp:
Maybe we should re-think what we have surmised about other members of the forum. :chin: — Sir2u
I suppose we're not allowed close this. :sad: — Baden
One can OD on converging catastrophes. I fully believe they are on the way BUT in the mean time there is no advantage in going crazy with all the bad news out there — Bitter Crank
Yes, online articles that were linked and referenced. I originally posted this on another forum but when I reposted it here the quote function did not copy. The spacing and ellipsis show parts of the articles that are missing. — Fooloso4
In fact, in a private message to someone I said: " It really is nothing more than what a few minutes of online research will yield." I just edited the post to make clear that I was quoting — Fooloso4
[ Re Fooloso4's post] a catalog of American liberal grievances with a tenuous relationship to the OP - was a careless copy-paste job from various online articles. I am pretty sure that not a word of it is original. — SophistiCat
I was wondering if you bright sparks would be of more help to me. — Helen G
What will be your moral fundament of what is cruel and selfish when raising new generations? — Aleksander
I think what causes many problems is that individual humans make choices at the expense of others/the environment, and they don't intend to mend the damage they caused. I'm generalizing, but I also think people that hurt other living things for personal gain are only comfortable doing so because they are selfish or bitter. It's a lack of love. Many times I think the community fails in raising them to be good people. So I think the best we can do to reduce the number of people that grow up to make selfish decisions is to take responsibility for showing love and respect to everyone in arm's reach. The more people that do that, the more that impulse will spread over time.
That's what I think. — mejonat
You think people can be taught to feel? To think, yes, there are definitely ways in which we can improve our thinking, and many of them can be taught. But teaching someone to feel? How would/could that work? :chin:
Empathy tasks. You know, like, imagine how you would feel if that were you? — S
It comes from education in literature and the arts. — Ilya B Shambat
I understand basically what you mean by this ‘feeling of goodness’, but personally I am reluctant to use the word ‘goodness’ because it implies a dichotomy that promotes binary thinking and judgement (good/evil), which drastically limits our awareness of the universe.
When we experience ‘spiritual truth’ I think we do get a positive or ‘good’ feeling about an experience or situation as it occurs. The ‘vagueness’ comes from our preference for solid, objective evidence to back up or substantiate this feeling - we want to pinpoint it in space time so we can verify it with those around us, because it might just be that we’re going crazy. — Possibility
When we experience ‘spiritual truth’ I think we do get a positive or ‘good’ feeling about an experience or situation as it occurs. The ‘vagueness’ comes from our preference for solid, objective evidence to back up or substantiate this feeling - we want to pinpoint it in space tim — Possibility
If I find that what is true in one context does not hold true in another, then I haven’t reached a spiritual truth - it’s probably still caught up in structures of language, culture, ideology, gender identity or other limiting experiences of the universe. I need to get beyond context. Only by listening, learning and imagining how others experience the universe, can I get a sense of what might be true in every experience. — Possibility
As for your ‘headache’, in my experience, pain is just a signal that energy, effort and attention is required to adjust to change. Change is a necessary process of life - so to avoid pain is to avoid living. — Possibility
Wisdom is not the same as knowledge, which is not the same as understanding[...] I think ‘wisdom’, therefore, is a relative term - we can gain wisdom as we learn to understand different subjective experiences that recognise or approach spiritual truth, but I don’t think there is an endpoint to wisdom, or any specific wisdom to attain. — Possibility
What is a 'spiritual truth' ?
I would describe pure ‘spiritual truth’ as an element of knowledge, understanding or wisdom that we recognise as universal or eternal. It is true (consistent) regardless of who experiences it, where, when or how they experience it and under what circumstances.
This truth does not directly translate to anything other than experience, however. Despite countless attempts to substantiate or declare universal or eternal truths, we have yet to succeed at this in any language. — Possibility
One problem when answers take precedence over questions is that we do not ask whether the question it answers was a good question.
In the Apology Socrates claims that human wisdom is worthless. One way in which this is true is that knowing you do not know does not allow you to do the kinds of things that those who do know something can do with their knowledge. As with his daimon who warns him what not to do but never advises him as to what he should do, there is no certainty as to what is the best course of action, the best way to live. It is the question of what is best that leads. And in the absence of knowledge of what is best perhaps human wisdom has something to do with knowing how best to proceed knowing that one does not know what is best. — Fooloso4
I agree about the importance of understanding all human capacitites. How to carefully think, feel and describe so as to improve communication and action.
I am not sure that a combination is 'faster than either modality acting alone'.
Why would you think that- or what is your source for that belief ? — Amity
My source for that belief is simply that, if you have use of two modalities rather than one, you get to the point faster and fuller than if you have use only of one modality. — Ilya B Shambat
Who are 'the wise' ?
Good question. Can one who is not wise recognize the wise? Do those who are not wise, out of their ignorance, only imagine what it is to be wise? — Fooloso4
I think it's important to ask if "purpose" is a discovery or merely another invention by the human mind? — Furiou5
Combining the rational and the intuitive creates a fuller, more integrated, picture, and it does so faster than either modality acting alone. People should be taught both to think and to feel. And then they should be taught to synthesize both, creating a more complete understanding doing so faster than can be done either through feeling or through thinking by itself. — Ilya B Shambat
An expression of spiritual truth is always subjective. This doesn’t mean that it is ‘my truth’ as opposed to ‘your truth’, but that it is my expression of my subjective experience of a spiritual truth. I don’t believe you can plainly state a ‘spiritual truth’ with words that can be understood objectively. But I think you can express this spiritual truth in such a way that enables many people to ‘feel’ a connection with your personal experience of this truth. That doesn’t mean the words you use are an accurate or objective expression of the ‘truth’ itself.
I think we experience truth as a combination of thought and feeling. I agree that we should be taught to both think and feel in equal measure, and to synthesise both approaches in order to understand and communicate truth as a complete experience. — Possibility
We recognise intuition to a certain extent, and we recognise emotion, but the underlying element of our subjective experience that informs both is tricky to pin down.
We can’t locate it in the mind or in any particular organ of the body. It is ‘felt’ deep in our core, tingling in our extremities and also in the air around us and between us.
It occurs in the present moment, hits us without warning and leaves no physical trace of evidence except a vague sense of its interaction with our mental processes. This makes it easy enough to dismiss or explain away after the moment has passed. But in the moment it is as real and influential as any other part of our experience. — Possibility
I don’t know that we have ‘removed’ survival as a purpose or instinct. Perhaps we have embedded it into the structures that protect us from feeling threatened, that make us believe we are no longer vulnerable? If one threatens those structures, we may be motivated to fight for their survival.
But ‘purpose’ attempts to connect everything that motivates and influences ‘me’, at different levels of awareness, together into a cohesive whole that I can then defer to whenever I’m overwhelmed by options.
Personally, I think it’s a way of making sense of life, of simplifying it. — Possibility