Like K's choice to break off his engagement with Regime. The defining event of his life.
That is definitely a defining moment for K. But, it propelled him to do something very unique, to publish ideas that focus your attention back upon yourself. Something rarely done in modern philosophy. — Merkwurdichliebe
Reading what another says about Kierkegaard is not the same as reading him directly. — Merkwurdichliebe
his writing is very intense. — Merkwurdichliebe
K was doing therapy for himself. But what he did strikes deep into the spirit of the individual, and in that sense it is relevent as therapy for others. — Merkwurdichliebe
I asked Terrapin Station to clarify his position, for it seems to me he asserted that the purpose of Philosophy is to gain more knowledge about "what the world is like factually" and thus philosophical writings cannot be used in a therapeutic manner.
I hold that they can be, and often are and have been, used in such a manner. In helping you "understand what the world is, rationally", they can radically change your belief system, the way you think, help you see things more clearly. They can help you "better yourself". — Zosito
K said that faith was unintelligible, and to communicate it was to speak in tongues
Yes, but he also went to great efforts to relate our experiences to a breaking point. That experience of ourselves is only information under certain conditions. He continues to reason about that. — Valentinus
Even if we assume that anyone sees therapeutic value in philosophy, why would we even begin to point them in the direction of K ? Can we really say that K was working toward that end ?
Why would he, if the emphasis is on faith, whatever that means for K ?
K was doing therapy for himself. But what he did strikes deep into the spirit of the individual, and in that sense it is relevent as therapy for others.
(Nietzsche says he is the first psychologist. That is false, K was the first psychologist, as well as the first existentialist, although I suspect he would reject such accusations.) — Merkwurdichliebe
Yes, I suppose I haven't read enough Kierkegaard. My apologies. — Wallows
Depends on the philosopher — Wallows
As Amity has said, there is considerable therapeutic value to be found in Kierkegaard's work. — Wallows
If so, can you say what have you read or absorbed that might support it ? — Amity
If you haven't read him then you need to begin to do so. You will see the charge he puts on you as an existing subject. His perspective is, in many ways, insurmountable. — Merkwurdichliebe
probably the most underrated philosopher of all time, maybe after Diogenes. — Merkwurdichliebe
,..they called them as they did because they reminded some redneck of how black men's heads looked and so he and Bubba coined the term and they laughed their cracker ass heads off. Apparently the name got passed down through the generations like their crossed eyes and webbed toes and it fell upon your ears and you got to share it with us. — Hanover
There's an old name for them that nobody uses anymore because it had the n-word in it. As far as I know, there isn't a new word, though. The last time I heard someone try to speak about them, they just pointed and said "those."
That is the power of a social wound. — frank
You checked off the box on government forms indicating whether you were white or colored. Use of the term colored now makes you sound painfully ignorant, but not necessary racist, but likely holding less than progressive views. — Hanover
That's very interesting, because I have the opposite experience, growing up in Houston. My father always used the n-word to refer to African Americans (my mother didn't). His family were small-town farmer folks, and many of them were even worse (they invariably prefixed the n-word with "god damned").
That's consistent with my observation that its use revealed one's class. I think the same holds true in the African American community. — Hanover
This is something that has surprised me across forums. I thought that people with a genuine interest in some given subject would jump at the chance to test themselves and practice expressing ideas as well as giving feedback to other writers.
To date, over the past two years, not a single person has shown anything other than a passing interest. It truly baffles me. — I like sushi
As Amity has said, there is considerable therapeutic value to be found in Kierkegaard's work. Although, the determination of the who, what, when and so on of therapy is not an individual process, and according to Kierkegaard's philosophy comes through the everlasting grace of God. — Wallows
Amongst other things, I am looking to understand how Kierkegaard's writings can be thought of as being therapeutic, as a way to improve self. — Amity
My purpose is... [ to have ]... a conversation which might lead to an improved understanding of any therapeutic value.
I am not yet convinced of this, but then again I haven't read him. I am sure others have. — Amity
Absurdity of faith
Truth is subjective
Leap of faith
what comes to mind for me — matt
Perhaps I am naive and innocent. I assumed most people here would be scoring 0 or 1. The first surprise to me was that folks could not seem to imagine bringing up children without any punishment. I knew there were one or two people with 'diagnoses', but apart from them... — unenlightened
Yes, I wasn't expecting it to go this way at all. But I don't think it has got dangerously personal. One brings one's outlook to philosophy anyway, and hopefully we are something like unruly siblings that fight and squabble but have an underlying loyalty to each other. And of course you can always call on big brother if you think anyone is getting hurt. There is another thread that was extremely confessional that I had to back away from... But feel free anyway to change the tone to something a bit more formal and theoretical. — unenlightened
You are welcome to share personal details, and you are equally welcome to refrain from sharing. My own score is 0 which explains why I am such a lovely kind equable positive person. Lucky me, and lucky you to have my special attention. — unenlightened
wallowing is healthy. To wallow is to appreciate — Wallows
It's the whole nut of what philosophy is. What were you thinking philosophy is? — Terrapin Station
And philosophy helps with this how ?I'm curious about what the world is like factually. — Terrapin Station
The point is that I'm looking at philosophy to try to "improve myself." In my view philosophy has nothing whatsoever to do with that . . . at least not aside from increasing knowledge. — Terrapin Station
Newly published book on Kierkegaard here. — Wayfarer
The only "improvement" I expect from any philosophy is a more accurate view of what's the case. — Terrapin Station
How can he improve our lives? — Ibn Sina
I'm not sure a debate in the hypothetical about what the best book would be to discuss in a reading group is a worthy topic for discussion. I — Hanover
The SEP...every summary is a step back from reading the writing.
Some writers ask you to find them in your attempts to understand what is being said. Others confront you and call upon you to do stuff. Kierkegaard is writing in the second way.
Give it a shot and get back to me if no joy seems possible. — Valentinus
Whoever takes part in a reading group should work through the original along with everyone else, and only consult the secondary literature occasionally, to supplement and clarify the reading. — jamalrob
Doesn't it make more sense for each member to use secondary work of their own choosing and use that to help them interpret the primary source before posting in the group? — jamalrob
I'm aware of not wanting to put in the effort, and rather a free observer with some guiding theme or companion. — Wallows
If you're not willing to properly take part in a reading group, why would you think it okay to ask the people who are doing the work to do it in a way that suits you?
Please define PROPERLY, here. — Wallows
The SEP article is good in many ways but fails to represent a joy Kierkegaard takes in representing his own experience. — Valentinus
If it fulfilled its purpose of organizing some interest in a new reading group of Fear or Trembling or Kierkegaard's Concept of Anxiety. Those are the top two contenders as it stands. — Wallows
I'm feeling a lot of emotions lately, so maybe something therapeutic... like Kierkegaard or safe, like Kant? — Wallows
The mods hate that — Wallows
this thread is just to gather interest and asses what book to be read. — Wallows
The leader just kind acts as a moderator and hopefully knows the specifics of the book to some degree. Furthermore, he or she can correct others where they may have gone wrong. — Wallows
The sites that let you read almost any philosophy work for free are gold! I guess most people know them anyway. — emancipate
...what is being approached is how to understand our experience of the demonic in ourselves and others. — Valentinus
It can be daunting to undertake. On the other hand, the efforts made by Reidar Thomte and Albert Anderson to bring this web of connections in view through the footnotes is one of the best introductions to it. — Valentinus