I remember discussing with you political/social cartoons the last summer. — javi2541997

I remember that and more.
Good to see you back... just as I have left...for a bit.

Thanks for the cartoon.
However, I find it difficult to raise a smile.
Right now, I want to smite down...those liars.

A powerful piece from the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/12/lies-lies-and-more-lies-a-government-built-on-lies-is-incapable-of-anything-else

Freedom
https://xkcd.com/706/

Freedom of speech

Inappropriate and offensive. Who would be amused by this? The sick and the low.

Edited for clarity:

The French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo has stirred up anger again over the front page of its latest edition which focuses on the earthquake in Turkey

The French weekly magazine Charlie Hebdo's cartoon about the earthquake in Turkiye is continuing to receive negative criticism from all over the world.

Not only in Turkish society but several European nations and other countries have been reacting to its caricature.
[...]
The image published by Charlie Hebdo on the same day of the earthquake with the title "Cartoon of the Day" reads "Earthquake in Turkiye. Even, no need to send tanks." — Freedom of Speech or Insulting? - Euronews

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Fine line

The critical voice of the political cartoonist can provide a vital safety valve for a society. They can give expression to frustrations, grievances and opposition. But cartoonists need to remain sensitive to local political and social histories.

It’s a fine line between balancing the need to protect free speech and these concerns. Political cartoonists need to continue to speak truth to power, but in so doing must ensure they do not cause division and hostility which may threaten the most fundamental of rights – the right to life. — The Conversation

This thread makes me feel nostalgic! I remember sharing cartoons with you when I was a very recent member of TPF. I missed its existence when it is pretty good, indeed.

I agree with you. The new cartoon from Charlie Hebdo is very offensive. The people of Turkey are not guilty nor responsible for such a natural disaster. I understand that political cartoonists need freedom of speech to do their work, and to show off criticising politicians.

But in this case, it is different: I see that two normal people appear with a satirical phrase. I think it is hurtful without any cause or reason. If Erdoğan were the one who was drawn in the cartoon, the Turkish people would have interpreted it differently. More than attack to their victims, a clever criticism on Erdoğan's management regarding the effects of the earthquake.

This thread makes me feel nostalgic! I remember sharing cartoons with you when I was a very recent member of TPF. I missed its existence when it is pretty good, indeed. — javi2541997

Yeah, me too. I'd forgotten about it. Then @Vera Mont started a discussion: 'What is freedom?'.
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/14666/what-is-freedom

Introducing cartoons (and songs) would make it more 'Lounge' material, but I think they are a great way to explore and enjoy different aspects/issues. Lighter but still serious. Creative.

I agree with you. The new cartoon from Charlie Hebdo is very offensive. The people of Turkey are not guilty nor responsible for such a natural disaster. I understand that political cartoonists need freedom of speech to do their work, and to show off criticising politicians.

But in this case, it is different: I see that two normal people appear with a satirical phrase. I think it is hurtful without any cause or reason. If Erdoğan were the one who was drawn in the cartoon, the Turkish people would have interpreted it differently. More than attack to their victims, a clever criticism on Erdoğan's management regarding the effects of the earthquake. — javi2541997

The cartoon is from February, and it is criticizing the Turkish treatment of the Kurds. There were anti-Kurd pogroms in the seventies and eighties in the region where the earthquake was centred.

EDIT: the fake outrage no doubt came from Turkish nationalists and Erdogan-loyalists.

The cartoon is from February, and it is criticizing the Turkish treatment of the Kurds. There were anti-Kurd pogroms in the seventies and eighties in the region where the earthquake was centred. — Jamal

Thanks for that information. I've edited the original post to clarify the timing.

EDIT: the fake outrage no doubt came from Turkish nationalists and Erdogan-loyalists. — Jamal

From the article, the cartoon received negative criticism from around the world.

Thanks for clarifying the context, mate :up:

From the article, the cartoon received negative criticism from around the world. — Amity

You are right. It has received criticism from other Muslim countries which are friends with Turkey, for example: Argelia. This country is not a big "friend" of France's either.

:up:

I will say that the cartoon is not funny, and not really meant to be. Certainly it’s in bad taste, but apparently that’s the tradition of French satire.

I’m in two minds about satire. I’m thinking that if it’s to have any effect at all it has to be shocking. Otherwise I’m as sceptical about it as Peter Cook was (himself a satirist). He referred to “those wonderful Berlin cabarets which did so much to stop the rise of Hitler and prevent the outbreak of the Second World War.”

Better late than never...

Coronation Caricatures
https://www.euronews.com/culture/2023/05/03/coronation-caricatures-has-charlie-hebdo-gone-too-far

Starting with Charlie Hebdo!
Then:

• Coronation: Putting out the Bibles - Harry and the Sacred Texts by Peter Brookes in The Times.
• Austrian caricaturist Marian Kamesky, titled ‘The King and The Queen Camilla’.
• Italian cartoonist Francesco Frank Federighi - King Charles III excitedly announcing the arrival of his imminent coronation with cymbals.
• Cuban artist Wimar Verdecia Fuentes - King Charles edging towards the crown.
• Dutch artist Tjeerd Royaards, the editorial cartoonist and cartoon editor for Cartoon Movement: Heavy lies the crown...The shadow of the late Queen Elizabeth II looms over this new era.

Another 4 before:
"FINALLY!" - Cuban artist Fabian Sotolongo - Charles waking up and celebrating, thrilled at the prospect of finally acceding to the throne. Who lies next to him in his bed...?

@Amity

Browsing around the Internet, I found this cartoon about Francisco Franco. It is a 1962 satire by Herblock.
I see some interesting details: the cartoon shows an aged Francisco Franco and Eagle (the motto of Francoist Spain) sitting in a decrepit castle, as he gazes at portraits of Hitler and Mussolini, who are gone. Yet, on his right, there is Trujillo. The dictator of the Dominican Republic.

It surprises me why the cartoonist didn't draw Salazar when he was alive in the same period as Franco...

If we can gaze at the back of Trujillo's portrait, it seems there is another one by another dictator. But it is blurred, and I can distinguish who it can be. :chin:

By the way, this is a 1962 cartoon and Franco lived another 13 years...

It surprises me why the cartoonist didn't draw Salazar when he was alive in the same period as Franco... — javi2541997

Salazar ruled Portugal until 1968, so maybe bringing him up detracts from the point he is trying to make, rather makes it a null point lol

True! Good point. Yet the cartoonist drew Trujillo, and the latter was alive at the same period as Franco's.

A cartoon by Adam Douglas Thompson posted by 'The New Yorker'

Hey, javi - good to see you keeping the thread alive. Hope you are keeping well and as positive as possible. How can you not with that fantastic football result in Euro24 final!? Spain 2 - England 1.
But then, there are the 'losers'. I hate it that some footballers remove their runner-up medals almost as soon as they are hung over their necks. Not seen as being proud of that achievement?!

Re your cartoon:
Happy to say that the shift to the right has been stemmed for a little while. At least in the UK with Labour toppling the Tories. Yesterday, PM Keir Starmer hosted a European Political Community summit at Blenheim Palace - hopefully building stronger relationships...we will see...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/jul/18/european-political-community-summit-uk-politics-blenheim-palace-starmer-macron-scholz-meloni

But, of course, the hard right are still around. Boris, Truss and Farage hurrying off to support Trump.
The Tories still to find a new leader. From the remains, probably even more extreme than before.

Anyway, my spirits are raised, even as I am appalled at what is happening in USA politics.
Thought I'd share this cartoon from First Dog on the Moon.
'Does that cloud have a silver lining or is it something else?' Pessimism v Optimism. I like that it ends with the question: Is something getting better in your life or the world? An invitation to comment. I think it's difficult but necessary to turn focus on that. Too easy to dwell in misery.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2024/jul/19/do-you-think-things-are-generally-getting-better-or-worse-are-you-a-pollyanna-or-a-misery-kevin

Hello Amity! Happy to read posts from you again. :smile:

How can you not with that fantastic football result in Euro24 final!? Spain 2 - England 1. — Amity

It was a nice night, but I quickly went back to my normal life. Although it is always great to watch your country lift cups, it is, at the same time, quite sad that we only know how to stay together in football tournaments. In the rest of life aspects everything is messy here...

At least in the UK with Labour toppling the Tories. Yesterday, PM Keir Starmer hosted a European Political Community summit at Blenheim Palace - hopefully building stronger relationships...we will see... — Amity

Yes! I read similar news here, and we discussed it in the 'Brexit' thread. I am happy to know Sir Starmer wants to get closer to European countries and build stronger relationships. Yet, I wonder to what extent he has in mind another referendum to ask the British people to reunite the EU or not... Let's see what he does in his mandate. I wish him the best! The Tories deserved such a brutal loss. They cheated on people and their management of the country was outrageous.

But, of course, the hard right are still around. Boris, Truss and Farage hurrying off to support Trump. — Amity

U.S.A is becoming an extremely hazardous country. I hope we do not reach that point. Yes, there are still divisions across Europe, but not to the point of violence (with the exception of Slovakia's Prime Minister). Poor mate...

Good to hear from you again and thanks for the welcome back :smile:
I don't expect to be posting often. Definitely not getting embroiled in the political threads...but, of course, I have my thoughts...they slip out every now and then!

Are you an aficionada of science fiction movies and tv shows? I'm about to try starting a fun thread. (I usually fall flat, but wth?

I'm about to try starting a fun thread. (I usually fall flat, but wth? — Vera Mont

Go for it! I'm already intrigued :smile:

Done!

Great :up:

Tank Man, our unknown protester hero.

1989* Tiananmen Square protests.

* 35th anniversary.