You've said that you perceive external objects via your senses correct? At the same time you can also perceive internal aspects via your senses, true? I take it that thought has the same structure as the senses. You can also perceive internal aspects via thought, as well as external aspects - such as abstract properties of things, etc.I can't make any sense out of "thought is external" though. — Terrapin Station
You've said that you perceive external objects via your senses correct? — Agustino
At the same time you can also perceive internal aspects via your senses, true? — Agustino
I take it that thought has the same structure as the senses — Agustino
How do you then perceive a stomach ache? Via your thoughts? :sNo. That's just nonsensical and would show zero understanding of our senses and how they work. — Terrapin Station
:-}That would suggest zero understanding of material you were supposed to learn in elementary school. — Terrapin Station
How do you then perceive a stomach ache? Via your thoughts? :s — Agustino
Your nervous system is your sense of touch.You become aware of it via your nervous system. — Terrapin Station
Your nervous system is your sense of touch. — Agustino
If you have a hand or foot paralysed, you cannot feel with it. Why not?You must have really been confused in school. — Terrapin Station
The somatosensory system is a part of the sensory nervous system.
I'm playing stupid? You're the one who denies that the sense of touch is part and parcel of the nervous system.Could you stop playing stupid so that we could have a conversation? — Terrapin Station
I'm playing stupid? — Agustino
Yes, but fundamentally they are one and the same, and it's important to realise this. The distinction is otherwise arbitrary. The five senses distinction is a bit arbitrary too, since we actually have a few more senses apart from the five mentioned usually - it's a pretty old distinction and not very up to date.Sense of touch deals with external objects; the nervous system extends throughout the inner body allowing us to feel pain such as stomachaches. — Thanatos Sand
Yes, but fundamentally they are one and the same, and it's important to realise this. The distinction is otherwise arbitrary. The five senses distinction is a bit arbitrary too, since we actually have a few more senses apart from the five mentioned usually - it's a pretty old distinction and not very up to date. — Agustino
Right - did you have a look at the Wiki article I posted? What is popularly known as the "sense of touch" is part of the nervous system of the body.No, they are not one and the same since the nervous system includes internal and external sensations and the sense of touch only involves contact with external objects. — Thanatos Sand
No dispute here. However, traditionally the five senses are all our senses - so when I speak of the five senses, I speak with this connotation.Yes, but a stomachache is not part of that part of the nervous system. — Thanatos Sand
Terrapin disagrees with this. Do you agree, or disagree with this statement, and why?But for the purposes of the conversation, what's important to realise is that both the senses and thought can be directed towards both internal and external "objects". — Agustino
You might have finally said something true ;) But funnily enough you yourself pretend you can't understand what I'm trying to say, and hiding behind little distinctions.Q: How many philosophers does it take to change a light bulb?
A: They'd never be able to change it, no matter how many you have, because they'd pretend that they can't figure out what a bulb is, what light is, etc. — Terrapin Station
You might have finally said something true ;) But funnily enough you yourself pretend you can't understand what I'm trying to say, and hiding behind little distinctions. — Agustino
No dispute here. However, traditionally the five senses are all our senses - so when I speak of the five senses, I speak with this connotation.
But for the purposes of the conversation, what's important to realise is that both the senses and thought can be directed towards both internal and external "objects".
— Agustino
Terrapin disagrees with this. Do you agree, or disagree with this statement, and why?
Sure - but you have to agree that the five senses are an old distinction which doesn't actually have much practical value today, since we have a lot more senses than just those. That's why I take the expression "five senses" to be a reference to all our senses, because in the past they were certainly thought to be all of our senses (although I agree this was wrong).But the five senses do not include all our senses, since they don't include inner feeling. — Thanatos Sand
Right, that's good. It may awaken Terrapin from the games he likes to play with himself...I would agree that thought and our nervous system can be directed towards both internal and external objects. However, the five senses do not include inner feeling through the nervous system. So, the five senses cannot be directed towards internal objects like the nervous system can. — Thanatos Sand
But for the purposes of the conversation, what's important to realise is that both the senses and thought can be directed towards both internal and external "objects". — me
Terrapin disagrees with this. Do you agree, or disagree with this statement, and why? — me
I would agree that thought and our nervous system can be directed towards both internal and external objects. However, the five senses do not include inner feeling through the nervous system. So, the five senses cannot be directed towards internal objects like the nervous system can. — Thanatos Sand
Are you stupid Terrapin? You're again pretending you don't understand the point. You were wrong that senses cannot be directed towards internal objects, they can. Just like thought can be.the five senses do not include all our senses — Thanatos Sand
However, the five senses do not include inner feeling through the nervous system. — Thanatos Sand
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