Yes. It's like the ludicrously idiotic idea that if Poland would have accepted Germany's demands (Danzig and the corridor to East Prussia), WW2 would have been prevented and Hitler would have announced that "Germany is satisfied with it's territories" and Hitler's Germany and the World would peacefully coexisted until the present. As if Hitler would be that kind of guy, who builds up a mighty army and never uses it (and forgets everything he has promised to do in his book).Why is it the US being castigated for Putin acting aggressively. This is the same rhetoric against Hitlers trying to take over neighbors and other nations trying not to provoke him. Im pretty sure almost no one agrees with someone like Neville Chamberlain in hindsight. Why would a country be at fault for helping an ally defend against an aggressor? — schopenhauer1
NATO flirting with Ukraine is what started all of this. — Tzeentch
No, it isn't. Putin tried for the easy land grab and it's blown up in his face. — RogueAI
It's like the ludicrously idiotic idea that if Poland would have accepted Germany's demands (Danzig and the corridor to East Prussia), WW2 would have been prevented and Hitler would have announced that "Germany is satisfied with it's territories" and Hitler's Germany and the World would peacefully coexisted until the present. As if Hitler would be that kind of guy, who builds up a mighty army and never uses it (and forgets everything he has promised to do in his book). — ssu
We can't be responsible for your lack of imagination. — Isaac
I can't account for your overactive imagination. — Isaac
if one can't rely on evidence to discriminate between conflicting theories, then how to discriminate — neomac
I also don't think that if on some particular point, if an argument is given that happens to coincide with Russia's views, it must be "propaganda". — Manuel
This point generalized to virtually every government in the world. They all commit crimes to differing degrees — Manuel
no love lost if Putin's Russia was to remain more of a regional power than a superpower (e.g. without annexations) — jorndoe
straightforward that any number of nations (not just the US) are distrusting Putin's autocratic non-democratic non-transparent authoritarian oppressive leadership — here "distrusting" might be too mild a word — from what we've heard/seen, Putin is forcing it, little reconciliatory gestures, bona fides signs lacking
And for our country, this is ultimately a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a people. And this is not an exaggeration: it is true. This is a real threat not just to our interests, but to the very existence of our state, its sovereignty. — Putin · Feb 24, 2022
↑ Fear-mongering an alleged existential threat, that instead proved an existential threat to Ukraine, then, depending on the Ukrainian situation, subsequently Moldova Poland Romania Hungary Slovakia — jorndoe
[NATO] limiting their [Kremlin's] free movements/actions
Is it any wonder that Ukraine wanted to join NATO?
Of course it doesn't make sense. But the US has to be the bad guy. Always. — ssu
you just discount everything he says because it's all lies. — frank
↪Tzeentch
, returning to your comment and my followup, did you then confirm/deny any of this...? — jorndoe
no love lost if Putin's Russia was to remain more of a regional power than a superpower (e.g. without annexations) — jorndoe
straightforward that any number of nations (not just the US) are distrusting Putin's autocratic non-democratic non-transparent authoritarian oppressive leadership — here "distrusting" might be too mild a word — from what we've heard/seen, Putin is forcing it, little reconciliatory gestures, bona fides signs lacking
And for our country, this is ultimately a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a people. And this is not an exaggeration: it is true. This is a real threat not just to our interests, but to the very existence of our state, its sovereignty. — Putin · Feb 24, 2022
↑ Fear-mongering an alleged existential threat, that instead proved an existential threat to Ukraine, then, depending on the Ukrainian situation, subsequently Moldova Poland Romania Hungary Slovakia — jorndoe
There have been articles about it. It's a tactic for creating a general information fog. — frank
I don't think he ever said anything negative about Ukraine, did he? Except maybe the Nazi Ukrainians. — frank
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