everything subjective is mediated by our biochemistry either by our default setup or our "epigenetics" (environmental influences during our life) — Nickolasgaspar
Very nice question. My answer is that we dont live in a moral universe. I doubt there is an objective morality given that the universe doesn't offer a moral basis or standard in nature to compare human actions. Animals that occur in nature eat meat as we do. Some insects will enslave other insects. If all animals ate plants and no insects enslaved other insects then immorality would be against the object order of nature. But instead morality is about how things make us feel. What makes us feel bad is bad vice versa. I truly don't believe in objective morality and anyone who makes morality out to be an objective thing is likely a hardcore moralist. — introbert
:roll: Genetic fallacy. Also, human nature is separate from "nature"?I agree with Introbert that human morality does not exist outside of humanity. Trying to apply human morality to nature is unnatural. — god must be atheist
Genetic fallacy. Also, human nature is separate from "nature"? — 180 Proof
Yes they do in fact: Over time they erode the quality-of-life of those who would not do such acts -- or would slip, doing such only occasionally and temporarily. (The latter are folks of good character who, being fallible, sometimes goof up, make stupid mistakes ...and thus become bad characters for the moment.)Just as putting your hand on a hot stove has immediate disciplinary effect, and has moral implications regarding a persons duty to care for their body, committing unjust and immoral acts that don't have an implicit natural disciplinary corollary — introbert
Also, human nature is separate from "nature"? — 180 Proof
So you cannot differentiate Man from "man-made structures"? :roll:Man-made structures ... — god must be atheist
:sweat:If you think you can freely insult my intelligence, then don't be surprised if I insult yours.
In the common informal English, it is. Man-made structures are not considered natural structures, unless they are freely found in nature, too. — god must be atheist
Btw, cite a single case of a "man-made structure" that is separate from nature – unconstrained by laws of nature. — 180 Proof
please find me:
- a pyramid, in the fashion of burial place of pharaohs, complete with sarcophagi and mummies and mummified remains of food items in proper containers, freely found in nature formed by other than man;
- a nuclear power station, that generates electricity, with all its intricacies in its design, freely found in nature other than created by man; — god must be atheist
wtf :sweat: — 180 Proof
Please find me a natural object that is not throughly the product of conventional schemes of language that incorporate such cultural features as how we understand the use of our measuring devices. As our linguistic, material and technological interactive engagements with our world change, so does the meaning of the ‘nature’ we observe — Joshs
Better than your non-answer ... — 180 Proof
Btw, cite a single case of a "man-made structure" that is separate from nature — 180 Proof
There is a danger of equivocation here, so I spell out the differences, in order to avoid further misunderstandings:Btw, cite a single case of a "man-made structure" that is separate from nature — 180 Proof
Since humans are natural beings and therefore inseparable from nature, applying human morality to ourselves is indistinguishable from applying human morality to nature, and therefore not "unnatural". Maybe, in most instances, to do so is impractical, missplaced, anthropomorphizing, etc; not, however, "unnatural".Trying to apply human morality to nature is unnatural. — god must be atheist
In addition to future generations possibly viewing us as savages for eating meat, future generations could possibly view us as savages for aborting fetuses (if public opinion will eventually take a sharply anti-abortion turn) or, alternatively, for refusing to give unwilling male parents a unilateral opt-out from paying child support. — Xanatos
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