Using probabilities and statistics in any framework of thought, philosophical or other, is not mathematizing. — Alkis Piskas
What is the probability, given the givens, of the child you're planning on having will find life worth it? — Agent Smith
the idea is dreadful. — jgill
Of course they are. Simple arithmetic is too. I didn't say they aren't. I said "Using probabilities and statistics in any framework of thought, philosophical or other, is not mathematizing." So, you should most probably check the meaning of the word "mathematize".Aren't probabilities and statistics mathematical? — Metaphysician Undercover
Uncertainty refers to something that is not certain, i.e. not known or definite and not to be relied on. Where does Math come in this? Even if we attach numbers to uncertainly, e.g; 1/3, 50%, etc., this would not be enough for qualifying a subject as a mathematical one. Probability, chances, certaintly, uncertainty, and so forth may be terms used in Math of probabilities, but also in all kinds of fields or areas, including everyday language.The issue is by and large about uncertainty, just what the mathematics of probability was invented to deal with. — Agent Smith
Uncertainty refers to something that is not certain, i.e. not known or definite and not to be relied on. Where does Math come in this? Even if we attach numbers to uncertainly, e.g; 1/3, 50%, etc., this would not be enough for qualifying a subject as a mathematical one. Probability, chances, certaintly, uncertainty, and so forth may be terms used in Math of probabilities, but also in all kinds of fields or areas, including everyday language. — Alkis Piskas
Of course they are. Simple arithmetic is too. I didn't say they aren't. I said "Using probabilities and statistics in any framework of thought, philosophical or other, is not mathematizing." So, you should most probably check the meaning of the word "mathematize".
It's one thing to use use probabilities in discussing a subject and another thing to consider or treat a subject as a mathematical one (i.e, "mathematize" it.) Because then, all mathematical questions and problems could be considered also as philosophical ones! — Alkis Piskas
You still didn't look up the term "mathematize", did you?So if using mathematics in a field of study does not constitute mathematizing it, then what does? — Metaphysician Undercover
So if using mathematics in a field of study does not constitute mathematizing it, then what does? Is physics mathematized? Is music mathematized? — Metaphysician Undercover
At this intellectual level grocery shopping might be, "Well, one can is $2, so two cans will be $4". — jgill
Actually, philosophy should seek help wherever it can be found. :meh: — jgill
Right. Which is totally different than just use Math/Arithmetic/Probability terms which I have already pointed out. Just using words like multiply/divide, constant, cube, diameter, probable/improbable, 50% chances or one in two cases, average, and so on is not mathematizing.It means to treat mathematically — Metaphysician Undercover
Actually, philosophy should seek help wherever it can be found. :meh: — jgill
Right. Which is totally different than just use Math/Arithmetic/Probability terms which I have already pointed out. — Alkis Piskas
When people utter common phrases like "Life is not fair", "Humans are intelligent beings", etc., this doesn't mean that they are philosophizing. — Alkis Piskas
Mathematics once had a direct and unambiguous relationship with philosophy, Pythagoras, Euclid, Plato (Let No One Ignorant of Geometry Enter Here). Back then, there was not much of a distinction between philosophy and anything else that could be studied rationally.
Today, the relationship is much more strained. Perhaps there are things of interest in the philosophy of math. But, outside of extremely broad and general questions, which are of little interest to most mathematicians I'd imagine, I think this topic won't lead to much. — Manuel
The constant π helps us understand our universe with greater clarity. The definition of π inspired a new notion of the measurement of angles, a new unit of measurement. This important angle measure is known as “radian measure” and gave rise to many important insights in our physical world.
Pi: The Most Important Number in the Universe? — Edward B. Burger, Ph.D, Southwestern University
There's a big difference between using and applying in this context. Using a screwdriver or a key is not applying mechanics! Using multiplication or division is not applying mathematics. Both Mechanics and Mathematics are sciences containing laws, theorems, axioms, and othe theory as well as applications. So applying mechanics or math means taking such laws, theorems, axioms, and other theory into consideration. A boy can fly a toy airplane without having the slightest idea about and aerodynamics, and yet he uses aerodynamics without knowning what that is. And I can use a car without knowing and/or applying knowingly any elements of car mechanics.To use math is to apply mathematics. A — Metaphysician Undercover
To use math is to apply mathematics. And to apply mathematics is to treat the thing which you apply mathematics to, mathematically. Therefore to use math is to mathematize the thing you apply it to. — Metaphysician Undercover
Quick question, for my benefit: does this applied math give us insight into the nature of the world? — Manuel
There's a big difference between using and applying in this context. Using a screwdriver or a key is not applying mechanics! — Alkis Piskas
Using multiplication or division is not applying mathematics — Alkis Piskas
So applying mechanics or math means taking such laws, theorems, axioms, and other theory into consideration. — Alkis Piskas
A boy can fly a toy airplane without having the slightest idea about and aerodynamics, and yet he uses aerodynamics without knowning what that is. And I can use a car without knowing and/or applying knowingly any elements of car mechanics. — Alkis Piskas
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